Teen Vogue under fire after promoting sodomy among teens

annabenedetti

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If it has anything to do with homosexuality, it's sheer coincidence.

I disagree. I think there's another layer to this.

This is monkey-see-monkey-do. In that, if monkey doesn't see, monkey won't do.

The entire history of the world and girls and women who became pregnant out of wedlock because the guy said it was "safe" or because popular folklore said she "wouldn't if it was the first time" would disagree with you. And that's before the internet. And that's before Teen Vogue.
 

Lon

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Yes. Have you forgotten you asked me about my trip with my son?
:doh: Yes. I'd think some of this would be understood from a parent's perspective. We don't need to tend a fire until there is a woodstove in the house (sorry, Dr. Phillian). I think you have to address things as they are needed. I am either lucky, or I did this right: My kids know that they don't have to read this stuff until they are getting ready for marriage. At that time, instead of talking it out with them, I'll give/recommend the book by the physician and his physician wife: Intended for Pleasure. They are both Christians as well and counsel from that perspective and do delve into all of the questions. As doctors, they both have concerns over this particular. Again, I think Teen Vogue will be sued in the future and rightly so.

But what did your previous post have to do with Teen Vogue?
I don't want my kids learning about sex from just anybody. All three know a doctor's opinion is important, and it still is. There used to be blood tests and then the doctor would help a couple walk through this, including reading material. I don't want a teacher because he/she is unqualified, nor a rag magazine trying to tell my kids about sex. The ONLY safe places are parents or doctors. Being readers, books will suffice as well as cover nearly if not all of their questions. So, I am a bit surprised, as a parent, you would allow a magazine to do what you know you can do better. "Read this" with a few words and advice how to proceed for further information (also in this book) seems to me the wise parent choice. I guess I'm surprised at the question because I automatically assume you are on the same page, on this. Sorry, not meaning it to be any more than confusion, as it is/was, on my part and trying to figure it out. Thank you for the answer and further questions. -Lon
 

Nihilo

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If it has anything to do with homosexuality, it's sheer coincidence.
I disagree. I think there's another layer to this.
OK.
This is monkey-see-monkey-do. In that, if monkey doesn't see, monkey won't do.
The entire history of the world and girls and women who became pregnant out of wedlock because the guy said it was "safe" or because popular folklore said she "wouldn't if it was the first time" would disagree with you. And that's before the internet. And that's before Teen Vogue.
I was talking about boys.
 
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Lon

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I actually think sex is one of the few things where parents are uniquely unable to talk to kids reasonably. If they can, that's great, but realistically, there are going to be a lot of holes in that system for a lot of kids. And I think there's benefit in it being talked about in semi-public ways. And kids, especially teens, are always going to be drawn to such content.
A creative parent, however will be able to overcome that obstacle. Even kids don't want to hear it from parents, but there are good resources by physicians, both Christian and not, that a parent can and should recommend. I have said, for instance: There are some things that are hard for a child to talk over with their parents, but there are books and information. Ask about what information or where to find it from us, and I think that's enough of the 'birds and the bees' talk, we want to be sure you have the 'right' information and will cover this again before you are married. "
 

Lon

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I recalled he'd said once that he didn't.



Cosmo? :chuckle: I believe you're mistaken.

:nono: In my area, the "Burt Reynolds" issue, you had to be 18 or older.

There was another back then, that kids couldn't buy either. I can't remember which it was. I just remember these were not placed on the rack and only adults could get them.
 

annabenedetti

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We don't need to tend a fire until there is a woodstove in the house

Does this translate to 'we don't need to talk about sex unless someone gets pregnant?'

I am either lucky, or I did this right: My kids know that they don't have to read this stuff until they are getting ready for marriage. At that time, instead of talking it out with them, I'll give/recommend the book...

Lon, these are your kids you're bringing onto the internet for this discussion and I'm not comfortable with that.

So, I am a bit surprised, as a parent, you would allow a magazine to do what you know you can do better.

I didn't. Not sure where you got that from.

"Read this" with a few words and advice how to proceed for further information (also in this book) seems to me the wise parent choice. I guess I'm surprised at the question because I automatically assume you are on the same page, on this. Sorry, not meaning it to be any more than confusion, as it is/was, on my part and trying to figure it out. Thank you for the answer and further questions. -Lon

"Read this" could be a good thing. I understand about passing on religious beliefs and values, I'm not negating that. I'm saying that most kids are going to find out more than that from their friends and from the internet, and families have varying litmus tests for what's appropriate. Some families are quite open about the ways our bodies work biologically, about the human shape and form, while others aren't much of a step past the Victorian age. So who decides what's appropriate?
 

annabenedetti

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As many as can get their hands on it, especially if it's talking about censored.

A boy can get a lot more than that online these days, going where Teen Vogue has never gone. And if he doesn't have a smart phone, his friend does.

I wonder how many parents who are incensed about Teen Vogue let their grade school kids have a computer in the bedroom or their own smart phone?
 

Lon

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Does this translate to 'we don't need to talk about sex unless someone gets pregnant?'
A little hard of a discussion depending on what you have instilled in your kids. Me? I said 'sex is wonderful and created by God, but it is a TREMENDOUS responsibility and you need to be sure the circumstance is not ruled by emotion or desire, but responsibility. It is best when we don't monkey with another monkey's monkey (Bobby Baer/Shel Silverstein song). The Apostle Paul says to treat younger women as sisters, older women as mothers. Sleeping with another man's future wife, or another woman's future husband is something to think about and take seriously. We are stewards. "After" the pregnancy? They wouldn't have listened well. I've told them about the book by these two physicians. So far, all three of my kids are fine until they are married, all out of high school. Okay, that's my family, but I think similar works for anyone, we can point them to very good sources as well as tell them we'd like them to keep the barn door closed until they intelligently make wise decisions not over-ruled by their hormones.



Lon, these are your kids you're bringing onto the internet for this discussion and I'm not comfortable with that.
They are all adults, but you asked about my advice. I have no problem with answering the question about what I have done and I've not gone into anything other than my kids think well.

I didn't. Not sure where you got that from.
Again, in regard to Teen Vogue, it is not where or when I want kids hearing about sex, in an 'entertainment' magazine.
Obviously the author was more worried about how it felt than STD or whether it was a safe think regarding anatomy and medical health. I didn't read the article, but it seems there were a number of health risks not discussed. As such, I think they are going to rightfully be sued for this, in the future. Some kid is going to have his/her medical bills footed for indiscretion.
"Read this" could be a good thing. I understand about passing on religious beliefs and values, I'm not negating that. I'm saying that most kids are going to find out more than that from their friends and from the internet, and families have varying litmus tests for what's appropriate. Some families are quite open about the ways our bodies work biologically, about the human shape and form, while others aren't much of a step past the Victorian age. So who decides what's appropriate?
Have to agree somewhat, but I yet think it wise to relegate some of this to the reading as well as the doctor. My doctors also talked about these issues with my kids, from a health and medical perspective (hopefully not disclosing too much).

I think we are both enough on page.

I'd think, with others in thread, if I can address it being a homosexual concern, it very well could have been any article on sex, without being responsible, and would be a topic of similar concern. While hot potato topics of homosexuality are discussed on TOL and our culture, it too needs to be a concern. There are a lot of health issues that a responsible magazine would have talked about especially with tweens and teens, and with a healthy dose of caution. This one seemed to be hippyish, careless/carefree, and free-sex related. No parent wants their kids to read that. While a lot of kids seem to inevitably succumb to pressure, I yet believe responsible teaching is an adult's job, not 'go for it!" That just is horrible advice. "We'd like you to be a responsible teen and adult. Pressure arise, but we are hopeful you can do this. There are these books I want you familiar with. I want you to read them before you are sexually active and am hopeful before you are married."
 

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A boy can get a lot more than that online these days, going where Teen Vogue has never gone. And if he doesn't have a smart phone, his friend does.
It wouldn't make sense to discuss an actual pornographic article for instance, this is the "cleanest" edge of this steaming pile of censored that TOL could (man)handle directly. It was good that it was hosted on another website, because I personally found it inflammatorily perverted wrt morals. And that's a pretty good description of this whole anti-chastity campaign being waged by nobody and by everybody all at once, against everybody and against nobody, at the same time: Inflammatorily perverted wrt morals.
I wonder how many parents who are incensed about Teen Vogue let their grade school kids have a computer in the bedroom or their own smart phone?
Too many. Of course I reject your characterization of me as "incensed." That connotes anger, and I'm not angry about this, but I do feel like we are collectively acting like the birds and the bees isn't a thing, and that monkey-see-monkey-do isn't a thing also; pretending. I don't like that we're pretending these things, I think it's censored, and so I'm participating. :idunno:

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annabenedetti

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They are all adults, but you asked about my advice.

Well no, I don't believe I asked about your advice. I appreciate that you've shared your views, although I'm still wondering about how you remembered a Cosmo issue from 1972.

Again, in regard to Teen Vogue, it is not where or when I want kids hearing about sex, in an 'entertainment' magazine.

That still doesn't answer the misperception you had about my using it with my own kids since I never said that.

And maybe a lot of parents don't either, but their kids are going to read it anyway. And maybe some parents are kind of relieved not to have to talk about it. There's a different kind of normal for different families.

Obviously the author was more worried about how it felt than STD or whether it was a safe think regarding anatomy and medical health. I didn't read the article, but it seems there were a number of health risks not discussed. As such, I think they are going to rightfully be sued for this, in the future. Some kid is going to have his/her medical bills footed for indiscretion.

I highly doubt that. Anyway, it seems more like boycott-of-the-month noise than anything else.

Have to agree somewhat, but I yet think it wise to relegate some of this to the reading as well as the doctor. My doctors also talked about these issues with my kids, from a health and medical perspective (hopefully not disclosing too much).

I remember reading once about times past where the private parts on works of art were covered up. I think a good parent can find a middle ground there somewhere, and pass their values on to their children, while at the same time understanding that the bulk of what the child eventually learns is going to come from somewhere else. For the be-all-and-end-all parent, that may come as quite a shock - if they're ever willing to believe it could be possible.

While hot potato topics of homosexuality are discussed on TOL

Oh, if it's about homosexuality, someone will post a thread on it here sooner or later. :chuckle:

There are a lot of health issues that a responsible magazine would have talked about, as well as caution. This one seemed to be hippyish and free-sex related. No parent wants their kids to read that. While a lot of kids seem to inevitably succumb to pressure, I yet believe responsible teaching is an adult's job, not 'go for it!" That just is horrible advice.

It's no surprise that a magazine like Teen Vogue would seem "hippyish and free-sex related." They're selling a product, and they're selling what sells. They're serving a materialistic, product-driven, consumerist society and it's all surface. For that alone, I'd hope a girl was also reading things that challenged her, inspired her, and called her to something higher than the latest lip gloss or designer handbag, let alone how to make herself sexually marketable as if that was all she had to offer. Because that's the message the girls are getting.
 
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annabenedetti

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It wouldn't make sense to discuss an actual pornographic article for instance, this is the "cleanest" edge of this steaming pile of censored that TOL could (man)handle directly. It was good that it was hosted on another website, because I personally found it inflammatorily perverted wrt morals. And that's a pretty good description of this whole anti-chastity campaign being waged by nobody and by everybody all at once, against everybody and against nobody, at the same time.

But it does make sense, it places Teen Vogue into context.

Too many. Of course I reject your characterization of me as "incensed." That connotes anger, and I'm not angry about this

Honestly, that wasn't directed at you. I was thinking of the woman who burned the magazine, etc.

but I do feel like we are collectively acting like the birds and the bees isn't a thing, and that monkey-see-monkey-do isn't a thing also; pretending. I don't like that we're pretending these things, I think it's censored, and so I'm participating. :idunno:

:)

Participate as much as you like. :chuckle: Now that you understand I wasn't referring to you, you'll also understand you don't need to justify your participation on that account. :)

Society has always known the birds and the bees is a thing, and kids have always eventually gotten curious. But I don't agree with you. Knowing doesn't necessarily translate to doing.
 

ok doser

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What? You mean, poop isn't supposed to be involved in our procreative behavior? :liberals:

It's more than that - the wall of the pertinent parts of the anatomy aren't robust enough to take the pressure and stretching that the appropriate female structure does

Want proof?

Eat an eight pound block of cheese and wait two days

Now compare your experience with that of a woman giving birth
 

glassjester

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Knowing doesn't necessarily translate to doing.

But knowing is necessary for doing.

Nihilo is right - magazine articles like that undoubtedly put the idea into some kids' minds, that maybe wouldn't have otherwise sought out such activity. Come on - it flat out told kids that anal sex is awesome. And it made a point of claiming that it's especially "awesome" for boys on the receiving end. The article is despicable. It even ends with a call to action!

It wasn't exactly an impassive informational piece.
The article was clearly more a tool of recruitment than education.
 
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