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Since the practices of Judaism really 'prove' the truth of the Bible to 2P2P, I guess there are going to be animal sacrifices that Gentiles can do out in the Gentile court of the temple that will atone for their sins. And there are 'secret' verses in Hebrews that say this.
 
SaulToPaul 2

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Interplanner said:
Since the practices of Judaism really 'prove' the truth of the Bible to 2P2P, I guess there are going to be animal sacrifices that Gentiles can do out in the Gentile court of the temple that will atone for their sins. And there are 'secret' verses in Hebrews that say this.
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Hebrews is not written to them. If you do not rightly divide you will remain in your mass confusion.
 
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Interplanner said:
Since the practices of Judaism really 'prove' the truth of the Bible to 2P2P, I guess there are going to be animal sacrifices that Gentiles can do out in the Gentile court of the temple that will atone for their sins. And there are 'secret' verses in Hebrews that say this.
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Hi and for the third time , read Zech 14:19 and nwhen doesm this HAPPEN ? in the shadow of you mind ??

Before Preterism or after the B O C LEAVES , or after Noah 's Ark is found ,so say when ??

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Jerry Shugart

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Everytime the new covenant for the sins of mankind is explained in plain English, the brilliant 2P2P guys here turn on their TVs for more cartoons and go 'huh'? Please explain that, IP.
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As usual you are confused. Our blessings do not come through a covenant which the LORD made with the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob but instead by the Last Will and Testament of the Lord Jesus, spoken of here. The following verse speaks of the Lord Jesus' Last Will and Testament and in this case it speaks of something associated with wills--an inheritance:

"And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance" (Heb.9:15).​

A person becomes a "heir" when he receives an inheritance which flows from a Last Will and Testament. Therefore, in the following verse Paul is using the term "gospel" as a synonym for the Lord Jesus' Last Will and Testament.

"That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel" (Eph.3:6).​

Sir Robert Anderson writes that "Our spiritual and eternal blessings do not depend on a covenant made with us, but upon a testament under which we are beneficiaries" (Anderson, Types in Hebrews [Grand Rapids: Kregel, 1978], p.56).

How can you possibly be so confused, not even knowing that our blessings flow from the Lord Jesus' Last Will and Testament and not from a covenant made with the physical descendants of abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
As usual you are confused. Our blessings do not come through a covenant which the LORD made with the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob but instead by the Last Will and Testament of the Lord Jesus, spoken of here. The following verse speaks of the Lord Jesus' Last Will and Testament and in this case it speaks of something associated with wills--an inheritance:

"And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance" (Heb.9:15).​

A person becomes a "heir" when he receives an inheritance which flows from a Last Will and Testament. Therefore, in the following verse Paul is using the term "gospel" as a synonym for the Lord Jesus' Last Will and Testament.

"That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel" (Eph.3:6).​

Sir Robert Anderson writes that "Our spiritual and eternal blessings do not depend on a covenant made with us, but upon a testament under which we are beneficiaries" (Anderson, Types in Hebrews [Grand Rapids: Kregel, 1978], p.56).

How can you possibly be so confused, not even knowing that our blessings flow from the Lord Jesus' Last Will and Testament and not from a covenant made with the physical descendants of abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
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You're confused Jerry. Just look earlier in Eph 2. The people who were strangers to the covenants and the promise are now in it through the Gospel. You have no idea. There are not t2o programs going on two different bases. You even quoted a great verse from Galatians without realizing that that context also says everything transfers through the Gospel and has nothing to do with real estate. The same is true at the end of Rom 11. Everything is through Christ, both God's wrath and his mercy. There are no deals with nations. The Israel Paul was referring to as being saved (justified) was those who had faith from all nations.
 
Jerry Shugart

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You're confused Jerry. Just look earlier in Eph 2. The people who were strangers to the covenants and the promise are now in it through the Gospel.
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Of course at the present time there is no distinction between the Jews and the Gentiles. But in the future all of the physical descendants of Israel will be saved through the New Covenant promised to them (Jer.31:31-34).

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There are not t2o programs going on two different bases.
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I never said that there are. However, in the past the physical descendants of Israel were a special people unto the LORD. Now there are no special people to the LORD except those in the Body of Christ and there the Jews and the Gentiles are on the same level. And in the future all of the physical descendants of Israel will be saved through the New Covenant promised to them.

You have been shown this in the past but despite that you continue to misrepresent what the dispensationalists actually teach.
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
Of course at the present time there is no distinction between the Jews and the Gentiles. But in the future all of the physical descendants of Israel will be saved through the New Covenant promised to them (Jer.31:31-34).



I never said that there are. However, in the past the physical descendants of Israel were a special people unto the LORD. Now there are no special people to the LORD except those in the Body of Christ and there the Jews and the Gentiles are on the same level. And in the future all of the physical descendants of Israel will be saved through the New Covenant promised to them.

You have been shown this in the past but despite that you continue to misrepresent what the dispensationalists actually teach.
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You really need to believe the apostles taught by Christ--

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Jerry,
how does this work regarding the millions who have died over the years, and then what % purity makes a person a Jew?
 
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Everytime the new covenant for the sins of mankind is explained in plain English, the brilliant 2P2P guys here turn on their TVs for more cartoons and go 'huh'? Please explain that, IP.

I have therefore come to the conclusion that Christ crucified in 2P2P has nothing to do with Gentiles, because then the 2P2P confusion of the new covenant would be exposed naked for what it is.

Logically, this means that some other crucifixion or gospel or method of atonement is now needed for the sins of Gentiles (inc. me--INCLUDING THEM!!!).

They must explain what this method is and when and where.
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You are insane :kookoo:
 
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At its core, this thread is closely bound to the 'list' of verses that Gentiles are allowed to read from Hebrews. After some 200 posts at that thread, 2P2P does not have a list, but they make guilt. I'm the guilty one for not 'knowing' the secret knowledge about how to apply it to Gentiles.
 
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Interplanner I have therefore come to the conclusion that Christ crucified in 2P2P has nothing to do with Gentiles said:
Hi and where and how do you prove it , with verse ?

So , by your post ONLY Jews are saved ??

You are worse than the CALVINISM, RIGHT !!

dan p
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