SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT

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Right Divider said:
Scripture does not record even a single time where Jesus used the word "grace" during His entire earthly ministry.
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He didn't have to use the word 'grace', was full of grace, and his disciples taught it.

John 1:16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given.


That scripture means that just Jesus coming was graced, and then we received his grace when we are saved.

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Jesus is the best news ever.
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...except wait for what Paul teaches?
 
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God's Truth said:
He didn't have to use the word 'grace', was full of grace, and his disciples taught it.
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The word "grace" only appears in Luke ONCE and in John FOUR times... doesn't even appear AT ALL in Matthew and Mark.

The word "grace" appears NINETY ONE TIMES in Paul's epistles.

That's 18 TIMES more than in all of the "gospels".

If you cannot see the difference, you are BLIND.
 
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Bradley D said:
To believe and not repent makes one's sin even worse. They are rejecting Christ.
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Right, but too bad you added this, "But does not give one points in being a part of the new heaven and earth."

You said that in a thread made to speak against doing anything when wanting to be saved.
 
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Right Divider said:
The word "grace" only appears in Luke ONCE and in John FOUR times... doesn't even appear AT ALL in Matthew and Mark.

The word "grace" appears NINETY ONE TIMES in Paul's epistles.

That's 18 TIMES more than in all of the "gospels".

If you cannot see the difference, you are BLIND.
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For Pete's sake, there are a lot more writings in the Bible from Paul; and, you can't even put one scripture aside. All scripture is powerful. It only takes one!
 
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Bright Raven said:
then you believe in a faith plus works salvation
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Well false pastors coin that phrase to make it shameful to obey Jesus. They have trained people to believe and say that faith alone is what saves, and they don't know that the only time faith alone is said in the Bible is to warn us what kind not to have.

Faith and obedience is what saves. Faith is even obedience. There are some false teachers that call 'faith' a work too, and it is, but they wrongly claim that we are not to do anything to be saved are it is a works salvation, and those teachers are called Calvinists.

Calvinists have a contest with other denominations who preach faith alone; they have a contest on who can obey God the least. That is why faith alone denominations teach to say that faith is not a work.

Obeying God in any way is a work. We have to obey what God says to do to get saved. We have to humble ourselves and repent of our sins and forgive others their sins, we have to call on Jesus...

Jesus tells us what to do to get saved. Paul didn't come along and preach a different gospel that says we don't have to obey. That would make Paul still the chief of sinners and one destroying the church. That would make Paul cursed.
 
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For Pete's sake, there are a lot more writings in the Bible from Paul; and, you can't even put one scripture aside. All scripture is powerful. It only takes one!
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If Jesus' earthly ministry is "grace", why can't we find a SINGLE instance of that word in Matthew or Mark?

Were their writers neglectful?
 
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Right Divider said:
If Jesus' earthly ministry is "grace", why can't we find a SINGLE instance of that word in Matthew or Mark?

Were there writers neglectful?
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Jesus IS GRACE.

He came and what he taught was grace.

Just listen to yourself. You are trying to say one scripture isn't as powerful as something said more than once. Jesus says you can't do that.
 
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Well false pastors coin that phrase to make it shameful to obey Jesus. They have trained people to believe and say that faith alone is what saves, and they don't know that the only time faith alone is said in the Bible is to warn us what kind not to have.

Faith and obedience is what saves. Faith is even obedience. There are some false teachers that call 'faith' a work too, and it is, but they wrongly claim that we are not to do anything to be saved are it is a works salvation, and those teachers are called Calvinists.

Calvinists have a contest with other denominations who preach faith alone; they have a contest on who can obey God the least. That is why faith alone denominations teach to say that faith is not a work.

Obeying God in any way is a work. We have to obey what God says to do to get saved. We have to humble ourselves and repent of our sins and forgive others their sins, we have to call on Jesus...

Jesus tells us what to do to get saved. Paul didn't come along and preach a different gospel that says we don't have to obey. That would make Paul still the chief of sinners and one destroying the church. That would make Paul cursed.
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Wrong, faith is what saves


​​​​​​ [h=1]Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)[/h]
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 
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Bright Raven said:
Wrong, faith is what saves


​​​​​​ [h=1]Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)[/h]
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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Faith is a work.

As for that scripture you wrongly use, it means NOT OF THE WORKS OF THE LAW. That is the PURIFICATION WORKS that no longer save.
 
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No such thing as you don't have to do anything, or you don't have to do right to be saved.

Jesus came and taught what to do.

How can anyone ever go against that?
 
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