Real Science Radio: Bill Jack is Back, Now at DU Debating Evolution

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From the website, this woofer:

The Essentially Complete Fossil Record: As our friend Walter ReMine points out, when paleontologists dig up a new fossil, or a thousand of them, they typically fit nicely into the existing and very well established framework of kinds of organisms (phylum, class, order, family, etc). Because this has been the rule for decades now, during which time millions of fossils have been dug up, this is powerful evidence that mankind possesses an essentially complete fossil record.

http://kgov.com/bill-jack-debating-evolution-at-the-university-of-denver

Well, that's a testable claim. Let's see how it stands up to inspection:

February 2014 a transitional fossil fish has characteristics of jawed and jawless fishes, filling in a major gap in the fossil record.
http://guardianlv.com/2014/02/new-f...dina-fish-explains-origins-of-the-human-face/

Transitional between frogs and salamanders found in 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerobatrachus

Transitional between ungulates and whales:
Indohyus first noted as a transitional in 2007 when a fossil skull was examined.

Transitional between lizards and snakes 2012
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v488/n7410/full/nature11227.html



There's a lot more. Significant new fossil species turn up almost monthly. Anyone want to see more?
 

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From the website, this woofer:

The Essentially Complete Fossil Record: As our friend Walter ReMine points out, when paleontologists dig up a new fossil, or a thousand of them, they typically fit nicely into the existing and very well established framework of kinds of organisms (phylum, class, order, family, etc). Because this has been the rule for decades now, during which time millions of fossils have been dug up, this is powerful evidence that mankind possesses an essentially complete fossil record.

http://kgov.com/bill-jack-debating-evolution-at-the-university-of-denver

Well, that's a testable claim. Let's see how it stands up to inspection:

February 2014 a transitional fossil fish has characteristics of jawed and jawless fishes, filling in a major gap in the fossil record.
http://guardianlv.com/2014/02/new-f...dina-fish-explains-origins-of-the-human-face/

Transitional between frogs and salamanders found in 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerobatrachus

Transitional between ungulates and whales:
Indohyus first noted as a transitional in 2007 when a fossil skull was examined.

Transitional between lizards and snakes 2012
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v488/n7410/full/nature11227.html



There's a lot more. Significant new fossil species turn up almost monthly. Anyone want to see more?

Fish Explains Origins of the Human Face?

This fish in your first example, are you saying this is where God got the idea for Adams face?


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Fish Explains Origins of the Human Face?

It merely demonstrates how our jaws came to be. The evidence was already there, in the genes that cause pharyngeal arches that form gills in fish. In humans, the same genes form lower jaws, among other things. So this transitional fish was predicted by genetics.

This fish in your first example, are you saying this is where God got the idea for Adams face?

That would be like saying brush strokes were where Van Gogh got the idea for Starry Night. You have it backward. Nature was merely God's means of making our bodies.
 

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We were talking about how the IDers put together a low-quality plagiarized version of the Harvard U video.

Your accusations are wildly inaccurate and even the case you mentioned was thrown out; no fouls committed.

Meanwhile, you will do anything to avoid a conversation over the evidence and have not read OP let alone listened to the show.
 
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Your accusations are wildly inaccurate and even the case you mentioned was thrown out; no fouls committed.

(Stipe figures O.J. must be innocent, because he was found not guilty)

The fact that the guys doing that low-res version also copied an error that the Harvard crew made, settles that issue. As you learned, copied error is a more reliable indicator of common descent. Not that evidence means anything to you.

Meanwhile, you will do anything to avoid a conversation over the evidence

We're having one now. As you see, the evidence rather clearly shows plagiarism.

If you think the show has some facts that might exonerate the IDers who copied he Harvard video, now would be a good time to bring them forward.

No one is holding his breath, though.
 

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(Stipe figures O.J. must be innocent, because he was found not guilty)The fact that the guys doing that low-res version also copied an error that the Harvard crew made, settles that issue. As you learned, copied error is a more reliable indicator of common descent. Not that evidence means anything to you.We're having one now. As you see, the evidence rather clearly shows plagiarism. If you think the show has some facts that might exonerate the IDers who copied he Harvard video, now would be a good time to bring them forward.No one is holding his breath, though.

When you've listened to the show, let us know. :up:
 

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I thought man was made in your god's image.

You'll get your chance to meet him and find out for yourself, just remember this.

Ecclesiastes 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.


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It merely demonstrates how our jaws came to be. The evidence was already there, in the genes that cause pharyngeal arches that form gills in fish. In humans, the same genes form lower jaws, among other things. So this transitional fish was predicted by genetics.



That would be like saying brush strokes were where Van Gogh got the idea for Starry Night. You have it backward. Nature was merely God's means of making our bodies.

The only thing it demonstrates is the depravity of man.


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Common genes that code for the same things in humans and fish, which then develop into different things in each, "demonstrates the depravity of man?"

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It is cuckoo isn't it, man even went as far to make a god from the likeness of a fish called Dagon.

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Man thinking we have fish in our ancestry isn't something new


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