ok doser
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why wouldn't race be an acceptable cause, given the statistics that show it as a factor in achieving convictions?
Racism in Jury Selection - Supreme Court Case
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why wouldn't race be an acceptable cause, given the statistics that show it as a factor in achieving convictions?
ok doser
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Alate_One
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That's for cause and I think pretty obvious a person like that should be struck, you'd have a cause for sure.
However the case in the OP, there is no such evidence. It's pretty clear people were being struck purely because they're black.
I'm not saying a jury quota is necessarily the best idea, I said it was better than an all-white jury or an all black jury. In interpreting the constitution the courts have said juries should reflect the community. If you have a majority black community and you have a lot of all white juries, clearly something is wrong.
Accomplishing that could be simple as what as rex said, removing the pre-emtory challenges. But a quota or at least clearer guidelines - I think would help. Since apparently there's now a playbook used to remove minority jurors intentionally because of race, but to pretend it isn't due to race.
Nobody said they weren't. Are you really this dense to take a tendency to exclude and make it an absolute?
How are more convictions forced? I'm not sure since that wasn't part of the study. However in other areas it's been shown that diverse groups of people are able to solve problems more effectively than groups that are composed of all one ethnicity or gender.
Alate_One
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Because that, by definition, would be racist.
How would you feel if you were accused of a crime and the prosecution insisted on seating an all black jury at your trial because they knew black people were more likely to convict a white person than white people?
We could just make that policy, if black people are to be judged by all white juries then white people are to be judged by all black juries. Sound fair?
ok doser
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so what?
why should my feelings bear on the matter?
why would the prosecution's insistence have any more weight than my lawyer's?
i would expect my attorney to do his best to pick the jury pool that he thought he could best work with to get me off
and i wouldn't care if they were black white red or yellow
Alate_One
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So you want to intentionally maintain a racialized society?
Perhaps you could use your feelings to recognize a bad idea when it's presented?
The power of the prosecution and a lawyer are not always equal, and you should know that.
ok doser
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Alate_One
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The lawyers with hundreds and thousands of cases sure have lots of time to even take a case to trial and then do a good job of selecting a jury, I'm sure . . .
ok doser
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lots more poor white people than poor black people in the US ala
if what you say is a factor, it impacts whites harder than blacks
genuineoriginal
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Isn't it good that the prosecutors try to find an impartial jury?
We have seen by the actions of the Black Lives Matter movement that there is a group of people who refuse to be impartial and would not be suitable to be jurors.
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A Look at the Destruction After Ferguson Riots
As the sun came up this morning in Ferguson, Missouri, it revealed destroyed businesses, burnt cars and wreckage from the riots that erupted after a grand jury cleared Officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of teenager Michael Brown.
A row of scorched cars covered in soot sat in a parking lot in nearby Dellwood, a manager surveyed the burned down building of the gas station where she works, and business owners assessed smashed windows and rubble from the fires.
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A Look at the Destruction After Ferguson Riots
As the sun came up this morning in Ferguson, Missouri, it revealed destroyed businesses, burnt cars and wreckage from the riots that erupted after a grand jury cleared Officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of teenager Michael Brown.
A row of scorched cars covered in soot sat in a parking lot in nearby Dellwood, a manager surveyed the burned down building of the gas station where she works, and business owners assessed smashed windows and rubble from the fires.
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Alate_One
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And I'm quite sure there are white people that would refuse to be impartial and not be suitable as jurors. Forget about Dylan Roof and supporters?
Because when black people do it, it's bad and they're thugs but when white people do it, they just got a little rowdy.
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Alate_One
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That's number. And there are a lot more white people than black people. But if you look at percentage . . . it's much higher in communities of color than among whites.lots more poor white people than poor black people in the US ala
if what you say is a factor, it impacts whites harder than blacks
Spoiler
So the impact is disproportionate in the community. But we covered this in the OP . . .
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
right
so if you're right, it would impact on a larger number of whites
off to class :wave2:
Because the rules should be about making the process fairer, not securing convictions.
...of course, there is the O. J. Simpson jury... for example?
genuineoriginal
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Are you talking about the government agents that used mind control techniques on him to turn him into a sleeper assassin to fuel the race war, or do you assume he did it on his own?
I see you are trying to claim that the race riots are merely blacks being rowdy after losing a game.
So, what is the name of this game that the blacks lost?
genuineoriginal
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Prosecutors already have their rules and are not interested in yours.
It's not their decision. The number of peremptory challenges is controlled by the law.
You didn't get around to saying what you think of my solution. Curious.
ok doser
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should be=/=is :nono:
The process is exactly as good or bad as we make it.