You clearly infer a comparison could be made which I pointed out.
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You clearly infer a comparison could be made which I pointed out.
everready
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The Image
The Image
Does anyone else beside me see this in what that text is saying?
Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
everready
The Image
Does anyone else beside me see this in what that text is saying?
Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
everready
1Way1Truth1Life
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Yes, you have said that you are blind to the Truth, the Way and the Life.
1Way1Truth1Life
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Here is a pop quiz: Look at these two pictures:
Based on what you see in these two pictures, and only on what is seen in these pictures, please explain to us how a non-Catholic not properly educated in the doctrines and traditions of the RCC can tell the difference between those worshiping the golden calf and those venerating Mary.
Worship:
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reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
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:* extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem
Prostrate:
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:* stretched out with face on the ground in adoration or submission; also :* lying flat
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Cruciform
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Nonsense, since your preferred interpretations of the Bible hardly qualify as "the Truth, the Way and the Life."
Back to Post #62.
glassjester
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What's the purpose of this list?
1Way1Truth1Life
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You have already admitted you are blind to the Truth, the Way and the Life through your posts. So that is how it is. I pray God will open your blinded eyes.
1Way1Truth1Life
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Words have definitions and meanings. Dictionaries and thesauruses are wonderful for looking information up.
glassjester
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Yes, right. What's the purpose of your list?
1Way1Truth1Life
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To show the definitions and meanings of words.
Cruciform
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Relying on generic dictionary definitions for theological words is rarely a good idea. Rather, one should specifically seek out a theological dictionary for such technical terms. For example:
worship: "divine honors rendered to a deity" (Elwell, ed., Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, p. 1192).
worship: "adoration and honor given to God" (Catechism of the Catholic Church: Glossary, p. 904).
Note that both Evangelical Protestant and Catholic definitions of "worship" are entirely complimentary.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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Cruciform
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Straw Man Fallacy. Try again.
Post #147.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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glassjester
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Yes. But why?
The line separating worship from veneration is blurry to say the least And even veneration, from a Biblical standpoint, is an overly ambitious stretch. Nowhere in scripture is any special attention given to the Messiah's mother after she had received the visit of the angel to inform her that she was to give birth to the Messiah and then again shortly after by Elizabeth. And that's it with the exception of when the Messiah tells His mother to observe her son in John 19:26. In fact I'm not aware of any scripture where the Messiah pays any special homage to His mother. In fact when her name comes up, the Messiah seems to be a bit irritated.
Luke 2:48-29 -- So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, "Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously." And He said to them, "Why is it that you sought Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father's business?"
Matthew 12:46-50 - - While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
John 2:1-4 - - And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
Also, when she is included with the disciples and the other believers on the day of Pentecost, she’s not an object of veneration or even a leader in the early church—she’s just one among many. There simply are no biblical examples of anyone ever praying to her, honoring her, or venerating her. It certainly seems strange that the filled with the Holy Spirit New Testament writers basically ignore her if she is to be placed in the exalted position that the Catholic Church places her.
Luke 2:48-29 -- So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, "Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously." And He said to them, "Why is it that you sought Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father's business?"
Matthew 12:46-50 - - While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
John 2:1-4 - - And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
Also, when she is included with the disciples and the other believers on the day of Pentecost, she’s not an object of veneration or even a leader in the early church—she’s just one among many. There simply are no biblical examples of anyone ever praying to her, honoring her, or venerating her. It certainly seems strange that the filled with the Holy Spirit New Testament writers basically ignore her if she is to be placed in the exalted position that the Catholic Church places her.
It's not just a Catholic doctrine. It's the Christian doctrine with regard to Mary. The Orthodox doctrine of the Theotokos is not essentially different from the Catholic and Protestant idea of "Mother of God", although there are nuances involved. Ask Arsenios, who probably would know better than I do.
It is the consolation and the superabundant goodness of God, that man is able to exult in such a treasure. Mary is his true Mother ..
(Sermon, Christmas, 1522)
Mary is the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of all of us even though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees . . . If he is ours, we ought to be in his situation; there where he is, we ought also to be and all that he has ought to be ours, and his mother is also our mother.
(Sermon, Christmas, 1529)
The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart.
(Sermon, September 1, 1522)
[She is the] highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ . . . She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures.
(Sermon, Christmas, 1531)
No woman is like you. You are more than Eve or Sarah, blessed above all nobility, wisdom, and sanctity.
(Sermon, Feast of the Visitation, 1537)
One should honor Mary as she herself wished and as she expressed it in the Magnificat. She praised God for his deeds. How then can we praise her? The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God's grace . . . Mary is nothing for the sake of herself, but for the sake of Christ . . . Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God.
(Explanation of the Magnificat, 1521)
Martin Luther
Hostility to Mary is a rather modern unorthodoxy.
1Way1Truth1Life
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Nope.
1Way1Truth1Life
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There is no fallacy when the truth is spoken. I pray God will open your blinded eyes that you refuse to come to seek.
1Way1Truth1Life
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Because a knowledge of the truth is educational.