On Rape

[ClimateSanity]

if that's what you think, you're a disgusting pervert

if that's what you think i think, you're a dishonest disgusting pervert


which is it?

No. She isn't a pervert.....just willfully blind due to bias . There is a fear that causes the bias. That fear says that if you honestly accept the points made without making irrational jumps to wrong conclusions, you have to accept some unacceptable things. I'm not sure what she and others imagine is at the doorstep if they take your words at face value but it could be along these lines....

Rape will become common place and victims will be publicly humiliated.

Men will get off Scott free.

They will feel guilty over past actions they fear others will see as whorish behavior. They might be perfectly innocent but their imagination can still accuse them.

 

[Rusha]

Rape will become common place and victims will be publicly humiliated.

It already is and as demonstrated, certain members of society wish to see victims publically humiliated. IF that were not the case, words such as *whore* would not pop up in relation to the VICTIM.

Men will get off Scott free.

No kidding. That is, after all, the intent of shifting blame to the victims.

They will feel guilty over past actions they fear others will see as whorish behavior. They might be perfectly innocent but their imagination can still accuse them.

Uh huh. Imagine that. The VICTIMS being called whores (for their whorish behavior). Your word.

So when, Dolo, do these *men* get called on their whorish behavior?

 

[ok doser]

... wish to see victims publically humiliated.

public humiliation used to be the tool that controlled behavior

especially whorish behavior

The VICTIMS being called whores (for their whorish behavior).

right - like that

society made it uncomfortable for women (and men) to act like whores, and guess what?

they didn't

So when, Dolo, do these *men* get called on their whorish behavior?

they should be executed :idunno:

 

[patrick jane]

nobody deserves to be raped, period.

 

[Arthur Brain]

nobody deserves to be raped, period.

Quite.

Just FTR, I didn't close my own thread on rape that went bloody insane either as certain people seem to presume...I'm glad it's shut and thanks to whoever closed the thing.

 

[WizardofOz]

nobody deserves to be raped, period.

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[intojoy]

“Now when the Pharisee that had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have perceived who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him, that she is a sinner.

And turning to the woman, he said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thy house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath wetted my feet with her tears, and wiped them with her hair. Thou gavest me no kiss: but she, since the time I came in, hath not ceased to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but she hath anointed my feet with ointment. Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.”
**Luke‬ *7:39, 44-48‬ *ASV‬‬
http://bible.com/12/luk.7.39,44-48.asv

 

[ok doser]

“Now when the Pharisee that had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have perceived who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him, that she is a sinner.

And turning to the woman, he said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thy house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath wetted my feet with her tears, and wiped them with her hair. Thou gavest me no kiss: but she, since the time I came in, hath not ceased to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but she hath anointed my feet with ointment. Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.”
**Luke‬ *7:39, 44-48‬ *ASV‬‬
http://bible.com/12/luk.7.39,44-48.asv

so repentant strippers who realize their life of perversion is wrong, turn from their path and embrace Christ are forgiven their sins? :thumb:


we're not talking about those

 

[patrick jane]

so repentant strippers who realize their life of perversion is wrong, turn from their path and embrace Christ are forgiven their sins? :thumb:


we're not talking about those

But strippers are just working girls. It's the only job they can get while strung out on meth and booze.

 

[OCTOBER23]

OK_DOZER

https://youtu.be/FIVgWnJZMKo

 

[ok doser]

But strippers are just working girls. It's the only job they can get while strung out on meth and booze. putting themselves through medical school

:thumb:

 

[ClimateSanity]

:thumb:

Yeah, not all of them are strung out on drugs.

 

[ok doser]

and all of them are chaste and modest

 

[patrick jane]

:thumb:

I suppose like any occupation, there are some women stripping to better themselves and pay for school and a house for the kids. And a pole in the foyer.

 

[patrick jane]

On rape: Subway pitch man Jarred just got sentenced to 15 years for child rape and child porn. The judge doled out more than the 12.5 years suggested by prosecutors -

They don't have chicken teriyaki in prison

Just think, Jarod from Subway is getting acclimated to his new digs and roommate. He enjoys prison cuisine now, no teriyaki chicken and child raping allowed.

 

[ok doser]

would you agree that if he was sexually assaulted in prison, he deserved it?

 

[Rusha]

I suppose like any occupation, there are some women stripping to better themselves and pay for school and a house for the kids.

Of course. On the flipside, the same cannot be said about those viewing the show. They are not there to pay their rent, utilities, etc.

They are there because looking a porn websites or purchasing porn magazines isn't enough for them.

Without the clientele to pay their wages, there would be no strippers. It's not about "enticing men", but rather about men acting on something that was already in their heart.

 

[CabinetMaker]

would you agree that if he was sexually assaulted in prison, he deserved it?

No.

 

[glorydaz]

No. She isn't a pervert.....just willfully blind due to bias . There is a fear that causes the bias. That fear says that if you honestly accept the points made without making irrational jumps to wrong conclusions, you have to accept some unacceptable things. I'm not sure what she and others imagine is at the doorstep if they take your words at face value but it could be along these lines....

Rape will become common place and victims will be publicly humiliated.

Men will get off Scott free.

They will feel guilty over past actions they fear others will see as whorish behavior. They might be perfectly innocent but their imagination can still accuse them.

I had missed this, and some good points are made here about why Bybee etal have gone to such extremes on this issue. Undoubtedly there are some fears of what could come from telling the truth that people do suffer consequences for bad behavior, but the truth can never change or be ignored just to keep people from being afraid of what could come.

 

[ClimateSanity]

I had missed this, and some good points are made here about why Bybee etal have gone to such extremes on this issue. Undoubtedly there are some fears of what could come from telling the truth that people do suffer consequences for bad behavior, but the truth can never change or be ignored just to keep people from being afraid of what could come.

Shame and guilt over past behavior can drive someone to make excuses for behavior that the younger generation is now committing that they (possibly) could have been guilt of themselves in the past. You let it out of the bag about your past and so you are free to righteously condemn what needs condemning.