On Cowards and Heroes
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eider
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I think I've read you, ok doser.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
perhaps, but you seem to have trouble with the printed screen:
care to take a crack at any of those?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
that's a peculiar thing to say, given that i've answered you several times
nope - made that clear - i would act to help out others in need - helping others out the door if that was the situation that was developing, assessing the situation to see whether I could do more by staying or leaving and finding help
i've been pretty clear about that
well, i certainly haven't mentioned anything that would suggest that i would freeze - maybe you would :idunno:
i've been in a similar situation - i was fired on by a shooter who was trying to hit me, with no warning - my initial response, for a split second, was to freeze in disbelief, followed immediately by a grab for those who were with me and hitting the deck
your other scenario wasn't difficult
you did, however, seem to have difficulty with my responses - i suspect they weren't what you were hoping for
sorry :idunno:
i may choose to address your other scenarios when you answer my questions
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ok doser
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btw, there's nothing inherently cowardly about running out the door and away from the threat
eider
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Where were you?
Who was the shooter?
Why was the shooter shooting at you?
What happened?
What was the end result?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
near rochester
beats me :idunno:
he wanted to put a bullet in me :duh:
i skedaddled one way, he skedaddled a different way
i stopped wearing my brown carhart jacket during deer season
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ok doser
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now, that's five questions i've answered for you
care to reciprocate? http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...s-and-Heroes&p=5262500&viewfull=1#post5262500
care to reciprocate? http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...s-and-Heroes&p=5262500&viewfull=1#post5262500
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Looks like eider took the cowardly route :sigh:
meanwhile, over in new zealand, heroes:
meanwhile, over in new zealand, heroes:
ok doser
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ok doser
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Heroes in London:
| Passers-by who tackled a man wielding a knife on London Bridge have been praised as "everyday heroes". The man had stabbed two people to death and wounded three others in a "terror-related" incident. Footage on social media shows the knifeman being held down by members of the public before firearms officers intervene and shoot him dead. One man who intervened said they had been trying to dislodge a knife from the man's hand. The suspect, Usman Khan, 28, a convicted terrorist, was shot dead by police officers. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-50608315 |
ok doser
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The way she flirts with me : )
ok doser
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btw - in all the coverage i've heard on this story, not a single mention of the word "islam" or "muslim"
I'll interject a little bit here. Do you live in rural areas where there are a lot of deer? If you do you are not very observant. If you live in the cities you have some excuse for your lack of knowledge.
Deer who are frightened by predators run blindly out of fear. They are so afraid they can't recognize threats ahead of them. To show this I'll give a little example from my own life. I was driving home about 4 years ago and got hit by a deer. I didn't hit it. It ran into the side of my car. I saw it for about 3 or 4 seconds before it hit me and it's eyes were full of fear. It was running as hard as it could and angled across the highway to hit me. It could have missed me easily if it hadn't been completely panicked. It had to have been able to see me some time before I saw it, and it had to have been able to hear the car for a lot longer than that, but it still ran directly into me without even making an attempt to avoid the car. It was so full of fear it couldn't even begin to think. There was no recognition in it's eyes that there was anything anywhere near it.
This is not an isolated event around here. There's wolves and panthers in this area and it's pretty common for deer to come running out of woods and run smack into vehicles. There's usually 40 or 50 feet of cleared area on each side of the road to keep people from hitting trees if they leave the road, and deer will run all the way across the cleared area cross a lane of traffic and run right into the side of a vehicle. If they were aware of their surroundings they could easily miss the vehicles but they don't. They will come out at an angle across the cleared area run at that same angle across the road to hit a car. So they often travel a hundred feet or more to hit a car.
Panic is the result of overwhelming fear. It's typical of cowardice, for cowardice so freezes the mental abilities that reasoning and awareness of a situation just goes away in the panic.
A deer, especially a buck, as some pretty impressive defensive weapons. If one of them chooses to stop and fight, say a doe defending her fawn, they make a pretty formidable foe. But they don't often defend themselves. When they do they are a one on one match for a wolf as their hooves are sharp and the legs are powerful. But, like horses they panic at the smell and/or sight of their enemies. A tame horse will act just like a deer and panic. Now a mule will often turn and fight. I've seen pictures of a mule killing a panther in a one on one matchup where a horse would have run right off a cliff. It's all the psychological makeup of the individual animals.
A mare will turn and run from a bear in a blind panic, but wild stallions have been known to kill bears, even grizzly bears because they choose to use the weapons they have.
ok doser
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I didn't realize back when the thread was active, but the difficulty that some (like greg jennings) had in following my clear logic and reasoning was the way that they were responding emotionally, triggered by the scary/insulting words "coward" and "cowardly"
if you read through the thread, nobody had any problem at all calling the actions of some as "heroic"
but several very vocal participants (and non-participants - artie comes to mind, as does another) were very interested in commenting on the topic, and personalizing their comments to me, without engaging with me. Others (annabananahead, greg, etc) did engage, but were unable to follow the thread of logic - triggered by words with emotional impact, their logic/rational thought processes were unable to function.
Their's was an emotional/visceral reaction to what I wanted to be a dispassionate discussion about the disparity, as it seemed to me, of recognizing heroes but absolutely rejecting the obvious presence of cowards
if I learned anything from this thread, it's the power of specific language and it's ability to eliminate reason and logic from a discussion. And that some are more susceptible to this phenomenon than others
I agree with you at least in part. But there is also the point that a socialist will disagree with any conservative on anything. And part of that disagreement is their intense hatred of conservatives and conservative thought. So, while I agree that part of the lack of rational discussion is due triggering part of it also just plain old dislike of anything a conservative says. I have seen a lot of disagreement here that doesn't make any sense other than just deliberate antagonism. The threads here are full of examples of it.
No...no.
doser went fishing and hooked a couple. You were supposed to praise him ....not go on a tangent about unstable socialist.
Who's thread is this anyway?
Well, that's alright. It's what I expect from an unstable socialist... :chuckle: