lifeisgood
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No, meshak, Jesus says BELIEVE, BELIEVE, BELIEVE what I, Jesus the Christ AM and did.
Obeying Jesus' teachings or commands is requirement for salvation.
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No, meshak, Jesus says BELIEVE, BELIEVE, BELIEVE what I, Jesus the Christ AM and did.
lifeisgood
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I have twisted nothing.
You CANNOT obey and trust every word of God.
You do NOT do God's will to be saved, for the Will of God for you to be saved is that you BELIEVE His Son so His Son can SAVE YOU.
You go against that, providing your own way of salvation, and that is what the devil's work is to make you provide your own way of salvation instead of accepting God's only acceptable way of Salvation.
turbosixx
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I agree 100%, but what I keep hearing is we can delete step 2. I don't believe we can.
lifeisgood
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Absolutely not deleting step #2.
However, if step #1 is not accomplished first, which is God saving us, step #2 doesn't even come into play.
Many want to jump to step #2 thinking they have accomplished step #1 when only God can accomplish step #1.
turbosixx
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I understand everyone to be in that boat.
turbosixx
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rougueone
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Greetings Meshak,
I agree obedience is certainly critical to each believer, Disciple. Obediance fosters greater intimacy. So does praise to God. Heartfelt praise and conversing, " Prayer" .
But I want to ask you this, if you obey say 75% of what you know as written in Scripture, and I obey only 50 % , ( because I avoid the other 25 %) , is your greater obedience to God, going to be used a " measure tool" against my disobedience? And do you feel "Honestly" that you may be received by God? And I will not ?
I am using "Obedience" inclusive with the commands pertaining to our behavior, praise, worship, prayer, and Holy works, avoiding sin, and in full sumbmission to Holy Spirit at all times.
Sincerely, Rougueone
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God's Truth
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Jesus spoke the words of God. You get life from obeying the words of God. You will not get life by only believing for it is dead and cannot save; that is the words of God. Are you better than the words of God?
God's Truth
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You can obey Jesus before you are saved. Study harder what Jesus says in John 7:17.
If you do not repent of your sins and call on Jesus, you were not saved.
God's Truth
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Do you think Jesus was being sarcastic maybe when he told people to repent or perish? Do you think that he was making fun of them knowing they could not repent of their sins until they were first saved? That is insanity.
We have to do what Jesus says to be saved. Jesus was not being ironic or anything else like that.
Believe Jesus who says to repent and obey to be saved.
God's Truth
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I don't think you know to what you are giving a thumbs up.
God's Truth
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You need to obey all of Jesus' teachings.
Can you?
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rougueone
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GT, there is quite a bit more to Romans than you presented. I do not see Romans 6:16 , as easily explained in a single scripture as you postured it....
From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?.....
But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
Note, Of doctrine which you were delivered. Hence, delivered by the doctrine, word of God, which saved you. Setting you free from sin, ( by salvation) .
I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.
For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.
22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death,
but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Sell all that you have and follow him.
rougueone
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And GT as Romans makes very clear you and all men were sinner's, committed to evil prior to being awakened to Jesus.
This completely contradicts your statement above.
And GT you have also made it known, ( in previous post ) you do not "SIN" . You are doing the same now. I thought you grew through this but apparently have not.
"He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.” Luke 24:45
In this post :
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4459335&postcount=769
you state one must "Repent and obey" to be saved. But this is impossible. As one must first be enlightened to the truths of Jesus, before they can repent, then obey.
Look GT, It is better to admit we make mistakes, ( I certainly have ) , so that we can make corrections.
"I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’" Acts 26:17-18
Fellow Brothers and Sisters.....
"For this reason we... do not cease to pray for you, and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy;
giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light. He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins." Colossians 1:9-14
rougueone
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Are you Meshak !? Again your hooting your the perfect Christian horn.
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