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And for those who didn't live long enough to be exonerated?
No Death Penalty. What Is Your Position?
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And for those who didn't live long enough to be exonerated?
Arthur Brain
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Tragic. No other word. What about all of those who could have been exonerated and reunited with their loved ones if they hadn't been swiftly executed? Have you got a word for that?
Bradley D
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Adultery was punishable by death in the Old Testament. "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death" (Lev. 20:10).
Jesus Christ said to them concerning the death sentence for the adulterous. "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her" (John 8:7).
Jesus Christ said to them concerning the death sentence for the adulterous. "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her" (John 8:7).
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Why do people ALWAYS misrepresent Jesus in that passage?
Jesus was keeping the law. The law required TWO or THREE witnesses.
Deu 17:5-7 KJV Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. (6) At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. (7) The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you.
Joh 8:9-11 KJV And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. (10) When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? (11) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
No witnesses equals no death sentence per the law.
Arthur Brain
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Do you think that Jesus would have sanctioned the stoning of the woman if there had been witnesses to her guilt? What convicted the consciences of these people to shuffle off?
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You think that Jesus would have rejected the law?
Scripture does not say. Care to make some wild speculation?
ok doser
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So Jesus was stating that no punishment could ever be given for a crime unless by a sinless person?
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What about the salvation of the murderer's soul from hell, if he repents and becomes a Christian while in prison for life?
Also, note Stephen's response toward his murderers (Acts 7:60).
bibleverse2
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He was saying that under His New Covenant, we must not judge others for their sins, or we will be judged by God for our own sins (Matthew 7:1-2).
(See also post #153 above)
Your lack of understanding is such as can only be the work of a powerful delusion and that is sent from on high. You have been caused, from on high, to trust in the lie. You do not wear the belt of truth and it seems you have no helmet of salvation. You are as naked as the day you were born. With every lie you speak your destruction draws closer.
I hope that your eyes will be opened and that you be granted grace to repent, but I don't hold much hope. You are a blind guide and are leading others into the pit your are headed for.
ok doser
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So I can't judge the actions of a murderer or a rapist or a child molester as wrong?
He can do that without committing murder and going to jail.
Is that a prescription for a criminal justice system? If there is a murder, the victim is required to forgive the killers?
bibleverse2
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Are you thinking of 2 Thessalonians 2:11?
If so note that it refers to the time of the future Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:4-11).
For the future Antichrist will have a False Prophet who will work amazing miracles (2 Thessalonians 2:9b) by which people will be deceived (Revelation 13:12-14, Revelation 19:20, cf. Matthew 24:24). And God will send strong delusion on unrepentant people so that they will believe "the" lie (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12; in the original Greek, there is a "the" before "lie"), which could be the antichrist lie which has been around since the first century AD (2 John 1:7; 1 John 4:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:7a) and which in our future will deceive people into consciously and openly worshipping both Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the man of sin (2 Thessalonians 2:3-9), as God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). The antichrist lie denies that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), denies that Jesus is the human/divine Son of God (1 John 2:22b), and denies that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7), which denial is one of the key doctrines of Gnosticism.
Note that both truth and salvation come through God's own Word the Holy Bible (2 Timothy 3:15 to 4:4).
bibleverse2
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Matthew 7:1-5 refers to judging others for their sinful actions in a harsh, self-righteous, hypocritical way, like saying: "Oh, how evil! I would never do anything like that", instead of simply judging their wrong actions as being sins, recognizing that one has one's own sins to think about (Romans 3:9-12). Matthew 7:2 means that if we do not humbly forgive others for their sins, God will not forgive us for our own sins (Matthew 6:15). The sin of judging others in the wrong way can be forgiven, like other sins, if it is repented from and confessed to God (1 John 1:9).
You are walking, talking proof of the power of that delusion. You use scripture in the same way a drunk uses a lamp post. For support, instead of illumination.
ok doser
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So I should forgive the rapist, the child molester, the murderer and not seek justice, allow them to commit their crimes without being stopped?
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Note that no scripture has been used to support any sin or lie (2 Timothy 3:16).
Your twisted opinions are lies and by default sinful.
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You must forgive them if you are to be forgiven by God for your own sins (Matthew 6:15).
And you must not come against them with any physical force (Matthew 5:39), but must leave that to the secular powers (Romans 13:4).
(See also post #4 above)
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