Mulla Sadra
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Well, so obviously because we believe in God and they don't.
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Well, so obviously because we believe in God and they don't.
lifeisgood
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You have no faith in your idea?
The issue is NOT faith. Every single person in the world HAS faith.
The issue is the OBJECT of that faith.
In what or in whom do you place your faith?
I would never place my faith in a man that marries a 6-year-old child and consummate with her at the age of 9. In my book that is called pedophilia.
The object of my faith is Jesus Christ and what He did for me at the Cross of Calvary and in that alone.
True Christianity is not a religion.
True Christianity is a relationship with the GOD-Man Jesus Christ and that through what He did at the Cross.
lifeisgood
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lifeisgood
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All obligatory. Not voluntary.
Otherwise, this is what happens to you: "And those who hoard up gold and silver and do not spend them in the cause of Allah promise them a painful punishment. One day that [treasure] will be heated up in the fire of hell and their foreheads, their sides, and their backs will be branded with it: This is the treasure that you hoarded up for yourselves. Now taste what you have hoarded" (Qur'an 9:34-35).
So, who is carrying the pitch-fork and the branding iron? Believe it or not, the terrorists themselves are victims of terror. If you are a terrorist reading this, you have a way out — call on Jesus. Do it, try it, believe it, live it, trust Him and have everlasting life.
Mulla Sadra
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I am starting to lose Logical process of jumping from one sentence to the other in your replies.
You were talking about atheists not Muslims, so please go read your past posts.
you don't have the manners to check whether what you have read in a Muslim-Haters page about a great man in history, just a great man, not just the prophet of 1.6 billion, that's all you need as a reason to re-check, but instead start shooting lousy words on those who believe in him.
To Allah I raise my hand for grievance for the lies of those.
Atheists and those who say that there's no all-powerful power who made this world.
Also, no logic from sentence to the other.
A- 1- The first is Obligatory and almost ineffective to a person economy, but effective for a country's economy.
2- is Obligatory for SHIA, and it not for everything, it is for net earnings not used, or used in unimportant issues.
if you read that sentence accurately (I have confidence you have a brain to do that) you will know most of ordinary people won't pay much, but rich people will be giving billions.
B- This verse is great from a philosophical side if you read it in Arabic, it means that an act would be a body in Day of Judgement, which is impossiblem because the pure act is not a body, then this body is a "delusion" or mental, this one verse is one evidence that in Day of Judgement Nafs (mind) not body will be judged.
they call it "Materializing of of Deeds"
See that I am trying to talk about the verse because I didn't understand what you said after.
and after it is pure conversion stuff with no evidence.
You were talking about atheists not Muslims, so please go read your past posts.
you don't have the manners to check whether what you have read in a Muslim-Haters page about a great man in history, just a great man, not just the prophet of 1.6 billion, that's all you need as a reason to re-check, but instead start shooting lousy words on those who believe in him.
To Allah I raise my hand for grievance for the lies of those.
Atheists and those who say that there's no all-powerful power who made this world.
Also, no logic from sentence to the other.
A- 1- The first is Obligatory and almost ineffective to a person economy, but effective for a country's economy.
2- is Obligatory for SHIA, and it not for everything, it is for net earnings not used, or used in unimportant issues.
if you read that sentence accurately (I have confidence you have a brain to do that) you will know most of ordinary people won't pay much, but rich people will be giving billions.
B- This verse is great from a philosophical side if you read it in Arabic, it means that an act would be a body in Day of Judgement, which is impossiblem because the pure act is not a body, then this body is a "delusion" or mental, this one verse is one evidence that in Day of Judgement Nafs (mind) not body will be judged.
they call it "Materializing of of Deeds"
See that I am trying to talk about the verse because I didn't understand what you said after.
and after it is pure conversion stuff with no evidence.
lifeisgood
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I am sorry that you are starting to lose Logical process of jumping from one sentence to the other in your replies.
lifeisgood
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I do talk about one thing and another in the same post, as most of us do around here; however, if I have not lost my logic process yet, I was answering one or two of your posts.
So, Mohammed did not married Aisha at the age of 6 and consummated with her at the age of 9? I wonder why she tried to kill him when she had the chance. Matters not if she got help from someone else or did it all by herself.
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2011/03/did-aisha-poison-muhammad.html
Well, they will find out one day that they are wrong.
Not everyone is as smart as you are.
Obligatory, as I said. So, I did not lie.
Zakat is not only for the poor, but it’s a tax to expand the rule of Allah.
So, Qur'an 9:34-35 does not mean what it says. I got it.
Yeah, I know, I am difficult to understand.
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:nono: I don't have faith in what I believe because I haven't stopped looking.
Just because there's nothing better than coca-cola doesn't mean it's my eternally favourite drink. If the competitors can't beat it, I'll stick with it.
What can I say? You caught my eye with it. You just called the majority of the world population, and a large number of animals immoral.
What if he was married? :idunno:
The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others. Bertrand Russell
This seems to be a common and necessary attribute for a muslim, obsession with puritanism spawned by a society of sexual repression and hypocrisy. Keep putting the sweets on higher shelves, watch your children fall further.
"The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy." H L Mencken
Mencken is one of my favorite wordsmiths.
22.5% income tax? Not really socialist... unfortunately no. Some socialism (my conservative friends here will probably grant it) would do the middle east some good.
Communism would benefit it.
Capitalism (true capitalism) would benefit it.
Democracy would benefit it.
Republicanism would benefit it.
Socialism would benefit it.
It's transgressing to the point where a nuclear weapon would probably benefit it, (with levity) but the progress on the rebuild would probably be faster. :think:
Well bybee, if I can't please you - what is my purpose here? <3
Mulla Sadra
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1- No he didn't and the guy in the video is known to be #1 ignorant in the Shi'ite world that evey Grand Ayatullah said he's an agent of those who hate Islam.
that's first, second thanks God we have a scientific assessment Of clerics in Shi'ite Hawza and the guy in the video never studied under one Marja, which makes him a no body, and he was a journalist some years ago (not a cleric), he had a problems with Sunnis in Kuwait and was kicked out of the country because of it so he have a grudge on Sunni people.
His testimony is not of value.
Third, the hadeeth is said to be of Aisha and is weak in Shi'ite standards, easily because it is impossible Aisha was 6 years old because she was born before the message of Muhammad, not after it, so she must be at LEAST 17 years old when she married.
and you talk as she's a no one, She's the mother of the faithful and one of the reason of the great fitna after the prophet.
At least if she was married against her will, she would have a grudge against Islam while she's know to be the most strict muslim ever at her time.
2- Hopefully they will.
3- Thank you.
4- not in the meaning you mean, Obligatory for those who choose Islam, and it is not Obligatory to choose Islam.
5- I wasn't talking about Zakat, I was talking about the 20%. and Zakat is for the poor benefit as is for expanding word of Allah.
6- No it means more than one meaning in one time, it means first those who make money to be rich and live a superficial life will see torture for that their money didn't do its duty to the poor, because money is a social duty not a personal thing to be kept for your matters.
and also it gives part of the rules of Day of Judgement.
I am sorry your bible don't have much metaphors in, ours got more philosophy in less words.
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Didn't get the Nuclear weapons part.
Would you say it is Socialist if you knew the prophet said that resources should be 100% under government control (Nationalization) ?
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Mulla Sadra
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An Atheist doing an absolute syllogism ! Fellow religious really affected the way how you answer !
And you mean that there's a human with full immorality today or another with only morality ?
or everyone does both ? the moral who does more moral things and the immoral is the one who does less ?
lifeisgood
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Oh, I see, if a Muslim cleric does not agree with my Muslim cleric 'his testimony is not of value.' I got it.
Hogwash. She stayed because she had no other alternative. Exactly as women today in Islam. How many "honor killing" have we not heard of because of a woman wanting a divorce from a Muslim man.
Show me one Muslim woman that has ever married a non-Muslim man. I know of many Muslim men marrying non-Muslim woman, but I have never heard of one Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim man. So much for women's rights under Islam.
Obviously, obligatory for those who choose Islam.
Tell that to these people http://www.nairaland.com/1264301/video-indonesian-muslims-killing-muslims because they converted to Christianity. How’s that for “not obligatory to choose Islam” as you say.
CAUTION: VERY GRAPHIC IMAGES.
Also tell all the brutally slaughtered Hindus for five centuries beginning around 1000AD with Mahmud of Ghazni's bloody conquest, including the massacre of those defending their temples from destruction, that "is not Obligatory to choose Islam".
Tell the Buddhists whose religion, Buddhism was very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent, that "is not Obligatory to choose Islam".
Tell all Jews and Christians in areas conquered by Muslim armies, including the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe, including today's Turkey, that "is not Obligatory to choose Islam".
Tell Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people despised by Muslims and barely surviving in modern Iran, that "is not Obligatory to choose Islam".
Not just for the poor but also a tax to expand the rule of Allah. Not the word of Allah, but the rule of Allah.
So, when Qur'an 9:34-35 suits me, I can say it says what it says, but if it does not suit me, then I'll make something up.
You have read and done all these things you say you have, the Qur'an, etc., including my Bible, and you are only 16 years old? You must be a prodigy.
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From end : I read too much I guess.... do you want to add me on facebook to be sure ?
1- No if a KNOWN muslim clerics do that then both are good, but when a (no body) does that with no real evidence but his idiotic mind then no he is not valued.
2- Yes it's forbidden that a woman marries a non-muslim, because the man of house have in Sharia the "Qiwamah" guardianship of children and family, if she marries non-muslims her sons won't be muslims. contrary to a man.
3- No it is not, you are comparing what the Ummayid and Abbasid Empires did in middle ages to theology ? tell me about one democratic peace-loving empire at that time and I will tell you there's something wrong with those muslims empires.
the Theology don't say "Be Muslim or beheaded" , where does it do that ?
and those Indonesians are some people who did something for other people with no reason, they are ignorants because the killing of an apostate in Sharia (Sunni and Shia say this) is one of the jurisdictions of the Islamic Imam of the Islamic country, means you can't kill an apostate only if the Imam tells you to do that, which is something like Imam Khomeini did about the Rushdie guy.
and then there are the terms of killing an apostate.
I can speak about it but it won't change anything for you.
4- No actually the Zakah goes to treasury of the country while Khums goes to clerics who can use it to do books and build mosques and help poor classes of the society.
5- no it means both.
lifeisgood
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No need for that, besides I can also say I am 16 and prove that I am.
And what constitute KNOWN under Islam?
Like I said, so much for women’s rights in Islam. Sharia is the law of the land and if you do not like it, off with your head and so much for "is not Obligatory to choose Islam."
Tell all those who have been killed almost to the point of extermination by Muslim’s sword that it was all about Theology and not “Be Muslim or beheaded.” I am sure they all would have loved to have heard that before their heads where chopped off.
Islam, we are the religion of peace, if you do not agree with our theology, you will be beheaded.
Well, so much for the Qur'an then, if the Imam is the one that establishes the law of the Islamic country.
See, you learn something new all the time. I did not know that there are “terms of killing” apostates (non-Muslims), better known as infidels. You know, those who are not obligated to submit to Islam.
Praise God I am a Christian and not a Muslim, and do not have to worry about “terms of killing” those who do not believe as I do. Praise God, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ lets me decide all on my own to follow Him or not, He NEVER obligates me, to follow Him.
I follow Him, because while I was still His enemy, He loved me so much He died in my place so that I can obtain eternal life.
To expand the rule of Allah. Not the word of Allah, but the rule of Allah, and the “terms of killing” those who do not believe the way you do, etc.
Thank you for letting me know that you do not have to follow what Qur'an 9:34-35, but you can make up whatever you want it to say when it suits you, especially if the KNOWN cleric is of your liking.
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So allah gives its believers anything they want in heaven?
Mulla Sadra
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Answer to lifeisgood last reply, because if I quote it would be long :
1- Well , I am 16 proved or not in your head, and going to be 17 after 3 months
I have seen christian kids who also know in bible too much while 16, so not a big deal.
2- a Shi'ite scholar Known in Theology is the one who studied syllabus under a theology Marja', and become himself a Marja' in Theology.
each part of the theology got a science, and in each one there's people who are called Ayatullahs who know the best in that part of the religion (for an example Imam Khomeini was a known ayatullah in philosophy especially transcendent theosophy)
3- there's no law in Sharia that gets ppl chopped off because they have a problem with their husbands, there are laws of how to make them divorce in the contrary.
4- no it wasn't about theology, it was about emperors who wanted to gain land in the name of Islam, just like some popes wanted to invade Arab world for an empire.
I can't see any muslim who say Christianity was the one who crusaded us.
But still I see you talkin' and talkin'
5- Establishes within the permenant laws of Sharia, as Pork is not permitted for muslims for what we call "Sareeh" law, don't expect he can establish a law that is other than that.
The apostate killing is one of the laws that is under governor authority.
6- Yes, because when there's a country that takes Sharia law, the law is political, not just a religion, and those who disbelieve in Allah in public are considered traitors of the nation.
7- Word of Allah.
8- no you must have an evidence that the verse can mean that, and that there's no hadeeth that says the contrary of what you say, they call it Science of Tafsir, interpreting Quran, which you nor the 119 verse fella know anything of, but still like to interpret things that are not said to mean what your heads think.
1- Well , I am 16 proved or not in your head, and going to be 17 after 3 months
I have seen christian kids who also know in bible too much while 16, so not a big deal.
2- a Shi'ite scholar Known in Theology is the one who studied syllabus under a theology Marja', and become himself a Marja' in Theology.
each part of the theology got a science, and in each one there's people who are called Ayatullahs who know the best in that part of the religion (for an example Imam Khomeini was a known ayatullah in philosophy especially transcendent theosophy)
3- there's no law in Sharia that gets ppl chopped off because they have a problem with their husbands, there are laws of how to make them divorce in the contrary.
4- no it wasn't about theology, it was about emperors who wanted to gain land in the name of Islam, just like some popes wanted to invade Arab world for an empire.
I can't see any muslim who say Christianity was the one who crusaded us.
But still I see you talkin' and talkin'
5- Establishes within the permenant laws of Sharia, as Pork is not permitted for muslims for what we call "Sareeh" law, don't expect he can establish a law that is other than that.
The apostate killing is one of the laws that is under governor authority.
6- Yes, because when there's a country that takes Sharia law, the law is political, not just a religion, and those who disbelieve in Allah in public are considered traitors of the nation.
7- Word of Allah.
8- no you must have an evidence that the verse can mean that, and that there's no hadeeth that says the contrary of what you say, they call it Science of Tafsir, interpreting Quran, which you nor the 119 verse fella know anything of, but still like to interpret things that are not said to mean what your heads think.