Martin Luther Comments on Free Will
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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Because the law is spiritual and is a discerner of the thoughts and the intent of the heart, Hebrews 4:12.
It is everything that I think and do.
so what if your beliefs are not consistent with what you do?
which is more telling?
beloved57
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Promoting the false gospel of Salvation by works, by what a person does, which means what Christ did alone was not enough to save you !
I believe what Paul said, "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.
If you are going to be saved you would do well to look for a way that is totally and completely outside of yourself.
we were talking about judging yourself
do you judge your beliefs?
do you judge your actions?
what if they are not consistent?
beloved57
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You teach that a person is saved by what they do, a action they perform from within themselves ! You are being the hypocrit !
You need to respond to Christ and his Gospel so that you can be saved.
No responce is a responce.
You responded to John Calivin the heretic, but you will not respond to Christ and his Gospel.
Maybe you deserve to go to hell.
beloved57
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Scorning the Gospel and promoting salvation by works, by responding, that is an act of man , therefore a work ! The word work ergon means:
I.business, employment, that which any one is occupied
A.that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
II.any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
III.an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work
Now does responding fit into one of these things ? Its an reaction with action !
so you judge others as well as yourself
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What my responce is to you, or what your responce is to me, is of little importance.
However, how you respond to Christ and his Gospel will determine where you will spend eternity.
I don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about.
beloved57
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Salvation by works, by what a man does ! Teaching that its what man does that determines where he spends eternity, and not the Death of Christ, Blasphemy !
You have chosen not to respond to Christ and his Gospel.
Instead you want to believe that God has appointed you to salvation, without Jesus Christ and his Gospel.
Please remember that this Christian tried to warn you.
beloved57
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Since when did you believe the Gospel ? Also you are teaching salvation by works, by what a person does !
Nanja
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Pate insists that "responding" is a necessary "something" one must do to become saved.
But scripture says that we are not saved by any work that we do Eph. 2:8-9: Greek, ergon:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2041&t=KJV
He has also been noted to say: "Take the step and get saved."
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101401#3
So, yes. It is obvious that he believes the lie that one must do works to become saved!
beloved57
Blasphemy indeed!
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Faith is not really a work.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that faith is a work that saves.
Jesus is the savior, not our works or our faith.
The Gospel is such a great thing that God has done in Jesus Christ to not respond to it is to sentence yourself to eternal damnation.
Which you have already done.
It's the question that stops a great many conversation about merit and grace.
One man stands up in a Church at the alter call and rushes toward salvation and grace. The fellow who went with him scoffs and turns away.
Why? What distinguishes between the two men and their disparate acts of will? Why is it that some men, like Lewis, can consider God and move toward Him and others can consider the question and turn away?