ECT Madists are closet Calvinists
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Ah, now it is "might be". __ <ditto my last>
andyc
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Abraham and Christ. Not just Christ. It's humorous watching you avoid it.
For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
The inheritance is the Holy Spirit. The promise is singular, and it was made to.........wait for it.................Abraham. :chuckle:
SaulToPaul 2
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Have you not heard of "The Rainbow Coalition New Covenant," mayor? I heard Jesse Jackson still preaches it.
andyc
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It was made to both. Why fight this?
You don't want the promise to be to Abraham, because MAD will self destruct.
Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
SaulToPaul 2
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Slick! Change to a different promise!
:up:
Bottom line: You deny Christ received the promise of the Spirit by his own faith and it is given to us when we believe in him.
That is the only issue here.
You always know when the Benny Hinn-ites are ornary. They've been away from the Holy Ghost bartender too long, and are having their "the anointing"withdrawal pains.
Puhrayzzzzzzzzzz Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd!!!!
Do I hear an "Amen? Where is Harry Bellafonte, when you need him?
"LOL"-candyandycain
ROFLAO...Tee hee....Tootles...Wink....
So there-I just "one upped" you, Bobby Sherman, Jr.
SaulToPaul 2
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TTYL saint john
andyc
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It gets even more insane.
The subject in Romans and Galatians is about justification by faith, and this is the original covenant to Abraham that could not be annulled. This would be the covenant that Jesus would put into full effect leading to spiritual birth which makes us Abraham's spiritual children.
andyc
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Here come the distractors.
When you start driving home the truth about mad. The distractors show up like clockwork.
SaulToPaul 2
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:chuckle:
You deny that Christ, the seed, received the promise by faith.
Some truth you are driving home.
andyc
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Scripture doesn't even say this. You're depending on the King James version because of the way it's worded. You think you can use the Elizabethan rendering to give your view, which is already warped, some credibility.
SaulToPaul 2
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:up: Good one!
Let's do it again:
Who was the seed?
Who was the promise made to?
Why don't you think Christ believed the Word and acted accordingly (faith)?
andyc
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Because he was born the Son of God. Son of God according to the Spirit of holiness.
The promise to Abraham and Christ was that Abraham would be the father of many nations. This is accomplished by spiritual birth - The Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't need to be born of God, he was the literal Son of God.
Your view demands that Jesus needed to be born again. This is heretical to the max.
SaulToPaul 2
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Can flesh and blood inherit the kingdom of God?
Was Jesus Christ born in the likeness of Adam, in flesh and blood?
Born again is simply resurrection.
But you are changing the topic , as usual.
Christ, the seed, received the promise of the Spirit by faith.
And which one of those kingdoms was the one some of the elect were cast out of?
I'm not a Calvinist either.
But I do believe in unconditional election.
It happened with Jacob/Israel.
He was chosen/elected unconditionally, without doing anything to merit being chosen/elected.
Romans 9:11 KJV
(11) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )
(11) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )
Sure, there are more examples.
The one I used may not be the strongest in your opinion, but it still shows that they were cast of the same kingdom they were once in. You can't be kicked out of a kingdom you were never in.
Sure does.
Those folks were not in kingdom, but then were.
Contrasting those that were in and then out.
And the ones in were always in danger of being out. And those out could come in, with the same danger of being out again.
It is contrary to the elect always remaining elect.
Yep.
They were in the elect kingdom, but some were cast out of that same elect kingdom they were in.
And just how does any of that change the fact that those cast out of the kingdom were once in that same kingdom that they were cast out of?
Where they in the spiritual kingdom, and then cast out of that spiritual kingdom?
Or were they in the physical kingdom, and then cast out of that physical kingdom?
No matter which one you chose, they had to first be in that kingdom before they could be cast out of that kingdom.
So, which kingdom is it speaking of them being in and then out of? The spiritual kingdom or the physical?
Frankly, for all intent and purpose, it doesn't matter which you want it to be.
The fact still remains that they were cast out of the same kingdom they were once in. Because you cannot be cast out of a kingdom you are not already in.
So, if you chose for it to be the spiritual kingdom of God, then you still have the problem of them being once in that spiritual kingdom and then being out of that same spiritual kingdom.
andyc
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Nonsense.
John 3:5-6
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Being born again is being born of the Spirit, It's not talking about being resurrected.
1 Peter 1:23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever
Having been born again? Past tense? Incorruptible seed? God's seed?
John 1:12-13
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Gal 4:4-6
4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"
Or perhaps you are messing around with the doctrine of Christ's manhood.
For there were promises made concerning the flesh.
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