What happened to the dinosaurs?
Have you confused Adam with Alley-Opp?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLD_LTXRmDY
Have you confused Adam with Alley-Opp?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLD_LTXRmDY
Lucifer and the Ancient Earth
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Echad means "one". Period.
"Rishon" means first.
and before you ask, "yachid" means "only"
If you are going to start on this "echad is some kind of plural unity"- don't bother. I have been through that many times. It is total nonsense. See how you use "one" in your own post, to describe "one people". Does one mean anything besides "one" in English, in that context? or course not.
"Job" in Genesis is spelled differently than in the Book of Job. And names get used by more than one person in any case.
Derf
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I went through that in my post. Feel free to read the whole thing.
I suppose your ideas are as good as mine as to where the story came from. Moses might also have received the creation story and the flood story, and the Babel story, and the biography of Abraham from God in a mountain. But the most boring part of the bible, genealogies, speaks strongly against it.
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Boring to you, but likely very important to people at the time.
So according to you day one would not be the first day?
Good point. In English "people" would mean more than one person, but you are saying that in Hebrew echad would mean only one person, right?
What would be the Hebrew for united as in a man and woman becoming one flesh?
In English we know that does not suggest one person, but rather a unity of two persons.
There is nothing complicated about this. Echad is the same as "one" in English. One cow, one sheep. one.
You are making a big deal and a confusion out of something that is very simple.
It says Day 1. That's what is says.
It is a fair assumption that it was also the first day, but that is not what the text says.
What in the world are you driving at?
What does the English word "one" mean in the above sentence?
United.
For example the United States is one nation, but not one person.
In English, one flesh means united, two people joined as one.
It looks like there is not a word in Hebrew for united.
"one" means "united" because of the context. The same in Hebrew.
But the plain word "one" still means 1. If you say in English "one cow", we know how many cows there are. You didn't mean "united cow". And if you say "one god" it mean 1 god. not "united god".
In English we would not have to assume, day one would be the first day by definition.
And one modifies a noun such as one team, one family, one kingdom, one whatever.
United cow doesn't make sense, instead we could say one herd, but a herd is not one cow.
I am not sure why you say it is "by definition" in English. I don't see that definition in Webster's. It is understood from context in the English also.
The use of "one", "echad" in Genesis 1 is a little odd in the Hebrew. Why that is relevant to this discussion I don't know. Explain.
Again, this is simple.
"Echad" meand "one" is is used hundreds of times in the Bible
"Yachid" means only. Is is used a handful of times.
You are driving at this idea that "echad" is different from the English number "one". That somehow it indicates a plurality that the English "one" doesn't. The idea is wrong, complete nonsense. It is propagated by some Christian sites, but it simply isn't true.
If "echad" means some kind of plurality- how does one count in Hebrew?
beameup
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God is both "one" and "plural" at the same time.
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent Me.
Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
At Sinai, you sat at the feet of the Holy One of Israel, your Redeemer, and ate and drank. And yet, today, you know not your Redeemer.
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent Me.
Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
At Sinai, you sat at the feet of the Holy One of Israel, your Redeemer, and ate and drank. And yet, today, you know not your Redeemer.
beameup
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Just what has He redeemed you from?