Kentucky clerk who refused gay couples taken into federal custody; ordered jailed

[kmoney]

just think about it
two guys living together
now
have more protection than a single mom

What protection(s) does a single mother not have now that same-sex marriage is legal?

 

[kmoney]

When the state creates a legally binding commitment it speaks to something, a hope, desire, intention that is expressed in the most powerful terms of the compact, as an expression of right binding right. That has gravitas and we respond to it as human beings.

Sure, but happiness is comprised of any number of things. Why do we have and celebrate anniversaries? Why do we exchange rings? We like symbols. They mean things to us. And their use underscores and even contributes to our happiness. When you're legally bound you're as publicly tied to another human being as the compact can make you. You've added a powerful symbol and public recognition to your personal commitment.

This can all happen without state recognition. I'm sure your wife would like to know that if it weren't for the gravitas attached to your marriage because of the state then you wouldn't have gone for it.

I think you're a little wrong there, supra. Beyond that, I know that being married feels different, is different than dating or simply being in a relationship that you can walk away from without much more than a contrary intent.

You can be married without a state license. Being legally married can add some weight to the commitment and make it more difficult to walk away, but much of that can still be achieved without a license. Two people don't need a license from the state to share their lives together, though it might streamline parts of it.

That's the wrong question the moment you qualify it. Had you asked why it should care about two people I'd say I've answered a little of that. Happier people are better citizens and stable relationships contribute to our happiness, as do the symbols and trappings of them that are meaningful to us.

I can ask the same question about a man and a woman.

 

[kmoney]

Yeah, but Snickers have nuts. That's why I like Milky Ways the best.

Blasphemy! Snickers FTW! :chew: Peanut butter snickers are to die for. :cloud9:

 

[Town Heretic]

This can all happen without state recognition.

I'll catch the repeat of this to remind you of the part of my response this doesn't take into consideration.

I'm sure your wife would like to know that if it weren't for the gravitas attached to your marriage because of the state then you wouldn't have gone for it.

Supra.

You can be married without a state license.

Can I quote you? lain:

Being legally married can add some weight to the commitment and make it more difficult to walk away, but much of that can still be achieved without a license.

Not really, unless you're in a common law state.

Two people don't need a license from the state to share their lives together, though it might streamline parts of it.

You missed a step. You don't add gravitas by subtracting it. Like I said, we love symbols and that's a powerful one. Powerful symbols are attractive to couples, which is why people who understand everything you just wrote still want one.

I can ask the same question about a man and a woman.

Not only can you, but you should or you're asking something else, qualifying without demonstrable reason.

 

[annabenedetti]

What protection(s) does a single mother not have now that same-sex marriage is legal?

I'd like to see chrys answer your question, and mine too:

Did the legalization of same sex marriage affect in any way the married couples you know or are related to, with regard to the ways they plan on raising their children?

 

[kmoney]

I'll catch the repeat of this to remind you of the part of my response this doesn't take into consideration.

What?

Supra.

Supra.

Can I quote you? lain:

To who? :noid:

Not really, unless you're in a common law state.

You don't have to live in a common law state to share assets and liabilities, buy a house, have children, etc.

You missed a step. You don't add gravitas by subtracting it. Like I said, we love symbols and that's a powerful one. Powerful symbols are attractive to couples, which is why people who understand everything you just wrote still want one.

I'm not trying to deny that state recognition has no impact, just that it's not as significant as you think.

Not only can you, but you should or you're asking something else, qualifying without demonstrable reason.

Demonstrable reason is in the eye of the beholder. Think about what chrys is beholding.

 

[Town Heretic]

You don't have to live in a common law state to share assets and liabilities, buy a house, have children, etc.

Can isn't a legal obligation. So it's not as strong.

I'm not trying to deny that state recognition has no impact, just that it's not as significant as you think.

I think all sorts of people getting marriage licenses argues objectively against you.

You don't have to marry at all to live with someone or do anything you can do within a marriage. So why do people do it? Because we love to solemnize our unions and symbols are important to us. And so rings and vows and churches and licenses and public announcements in the local paper.

Demonstrable reason is in the eye of the beholder. Think about what chrys is beholding.

I'm just trying to figure out why you made the distinction. Chrys I understand. :cheers:

 

[chrysostom]

What protection(s) does a single mother not have now that same-sex marriage is legal?

it takes a man to protect a single mom

it takes someone like you to protect two guys living together

 

[Granite]

it takes a man to protect a single mom

it takes someone like you to protect two guys living together

Those poor, helpless gals, who all just need a man to make everything all better.

 

[Caledvwlch]

Those poor, helpless gals, who all just need a man to make everything all better.

Presumably a conservative. Liberal men are about 90% woman anyway. amiright?

 

[Jose Fly]

Gee, who would've guessed?

Kim Davis Signs with Christian Book Publisher: ‘I’m a Survivor’ to be Released in Time for Christmas

New York City, New York – Sources are saying that Kim Davis, the Rowan County clerk who made headlines for refusing same-sex couples marriage licenses, has signed a seven figure book deal with Forever Faith publishing and her memoir I’m a Survivor will be released just in time for Christmas.

I can almost hear Davis shouting "Cha ching suckers!!" from here.

 

[Granite]

Gee, who would've guessed?

Kim Davis Signs with Christian Book Publisher: ‘I’m a Survivor’ to be Released in Time for Christmas



I can almost hear Davis shouting "Cha ching suckers!!" from here.

Seriously, this whole thing's a pretty sweet racket. Fifteen minutes of fame and then money and fawning from the chumps.

 

[Caledvwlch]

Seriously, this whole thing's a pretty sweet racket. Fifteen minutes of fame and the money and fawning from the chumps.

Lottery winners' stories rarely have happy endings.

And now I'd like to see that written in a fortune cookie.

 

[Town Heretic]

Gee, who would've guessed?

Kim Davis Signs with Christian Book Publisher: ‘I’m a Survivor’ to be Released in Time for Christmas



I can almost hear Davis shouting "Cha ching suckers!!" from here.

I can't wait for her "I don't want to be the center of attention" book tour. lain:

 

[Caledvwlch]

Gee, who would've guessed?

Kim Davis Signs with Christian Book Publisher: ‘I’m a Survivor’ to be Released in Time for Christmas



I can almost hear Davis shouting "Cha ching suckers!!" from here.

Also, she's Switching Parties. Nice.

 

[Rusha]

Gee, who would've guessed?

Kim Davis Signs with Christian Book Publisher: ‘I’m a Survivor’ to be Released in Time for Christmas

I can almost hear Davis shouting "Cha ching suckers!!" from here.

Seriously, this whole thing's a pretty sweet racket. Fifteen minutes of fame and then money and fawning from the chumps.

Lottery winners' stories rarely have happy endings.

And now I'd like to see that written in a fortune cookie.

I can't wait for her "I don't want to be the center of attention" book tour. lain:

Also, she's Switching Parties. Nice.

Well ... this was ... unexpected. lain:

 

[Town Heretic]

Also, she's Switching Parties. Nice.

That explains the imbalance I felt in the Force self-correcting.

Canny one she was, yes. Fool anyone she did not. But lesson for us all, somewhere in the midst of this debacle there was. Hmmmmmm.

 

[ok doser]

You don't have a right to the world you want. So I'm sorry, Amish man, but people are going to wear buttons and loud clothes and dance and drink and smoke. You don't have to be one of them and you are free to tell everyone what you think about their choices, but not to make those choices for them.

bookmark for tomoorow

 

[Caledvwlch]

That explains the imbalance I felt in the Force self-correcting.

Canny one she was, yes. Fool anyone she did not. But lesson for us all, somewhere in the midst of this debacle there was. Hmmmmmm.

But why would Imperial troops want to slaughter Jawas?

 

[TracerBullet]

it takes a man to protect a single mom

Protect her from what? You?