Jadespring and 's/he-is-all-in-all'

[Jadespring]

No. You disagree with HIM: Jesus Christ, the SON of God. If you have a problem, it's with HIM and HIS FATHER. (ouch, all those male references)

Oh yes and just to try to make it even more clear to you I have no problem calling God Abba like Jesus did that was never the question brought into this thread in the beginning. It's just an address thats limited by the confines of our human experience.
And I already covered the NT HIM pronoun issue.

S/he was refering to the overall concept of my image of God and what/who God is.
God is not a man.
God is genderless.

 

[Ecumenicist]

Jade,

You made a wonderful post regarding the female nature of God as supported in Scripture,
and I thank you for that.

As you can tell, some people, women included, hold women in extremely low esteem, and
therefore cannot even approach the idea of God having a feminine nature as part of God's
being, despite all scriptural evidence and Spiritual witness, and despite the fact that ADAM,
HUMANITY, was created in God's image BEFORE the nature of ADAM, human, was divided
into male and female counterparts.

We're not talking goddess worship here, after all, we're acknowledging the fullness of God,
as witnessed to through Scripture, and as Witnessed to by the Holy Spirit for those of us who
have ears and hearts to listen.

God Bless,

Dave

 

[Balder]

God is transgendered...

in a good way!

 

[Rimi]

Oh yes and just to try to make it even more clear to you I have no problem calling God Abba like Jesus did that was never the question brought into this thread in the beginning. It's just an address thats limited by the confines of our human experience.
And I already covered the NT HIM pronoun issue.

S/he was refering to the overall concept of my image of God and what/who God is.
God is not a man.
God is genderless.

I don't think I ever said God was a man. Male, Jadespring. Male. As per Jesus HIMself.

 

[Jadespring]

Jade,

You made a wonderful post regarding the female nature of God as supported in Scripture,
and I thank you for that.

As you can tell, some people, women included, hold women in extremely low esteem, and
therefore cannot even approach the idea of God having a feminine nature as part of God's
being, despite all scriptural evidence and Spiritual witness, and despite the fact that ADAM,
HUMANITY, was created in God's image BEFORE the nature of ADAM, human, was divided
into male and female counterparts.

We're not talking goddess worship here, after all, we're acknowledging the fullness of God,
as witnessed to through Scripture, and as Witnessed to by the Holy Spirit for those of us who
have ears and hearts to listen.

God Bless,

Dave

Thank you.

God bless you too.

 

[Jadespring]

God is transgendered...

in a good way!

*heehee*

 

[Jadespring]

I don't think I ever said God was a man. Male, Jadespring. Male. As per Jesus HIMself.

Okay sorry. Male, man whatever. Still doesn't change what I said. : )

 

[Ecumenicist]

God's a mailman? That puts a whole new theological spin on things!

Or is God a transgendered (in a good way) mailman?

Whew!

This thread's getting deep!

 

[Jadespring]

God's a mailman? That puts a whole new theological spin on things!

Or is God a transgendered (in a good way) mailman?

Whew!

This thread's getting deep!

Oh wow!

Dave I think you might be onto something here..... :think:

 

[Balder]

Yes, a transgendered mailman, delivering the good news...come rain or shine...

 

[Jadespring]

Yes, a transgendered mailman, delivering the good news...come rain or shine...

:think: I have very odd pictures running through my head now. *insert image into Moses story for one*

 

[Ecumenicist]

Yes, a transgendered mailman, delivering the good news...come rain or shine...

God is Spirit, God is Love, God is Whole.

Humanity became seperated from God, and seperated between and from within
ourselves.

In coming to deliver the good news, Jesus took our limitations upon Himself, including
flesh and gender, so that we might sustain hope for finding healing and wholeness in God,
even in our fallen, seperated state.

Jesus was a male - man, who came to deliver the good news, through, life, death,
and Resurrection.

Dave

 

[Jadespring]

God is Spirit, God is Love, God is Whole.

Humanity became seperated from God, and seperated between and from within
ourselves.

In coming to deliver the good news, Jesus took our limitations upon Himself, including
flesh and gender, so that we might sustain hope for finding healing and wholeness in God,
even in our fallen, seperated state.

Jesus was a male - man, who came to deliver the good news, through, life, death,
and Resurrection.

Dave

:BRAVO: Beautiful

 

[Nineveh]

Some stuff from the Bible around a spiritual understanding of God as all, in all, through all, with us all etc etc.
Just a few things to start off with.

Matthew is predicated on the concept of Emanuel can be interpreted on multiple levels.
Literally-Jesus/God here in the flesh, Spiritual-Name conveys the understanding of the closeness of God.


See, the virgin will be with child and give birth to a son, and they will name Him Immanuel , which is translated "God is with us." Matthew 1:22

You make Jesus' own birth here on earth, to walk with men into a defense of your pagan idea. Amazing.

There is one God who is father of all, over all, through all and within all. —Eph. 4.6

For from him, and through him and to him are all things. —Rm. 8.36 NIV

In Christ were created all things in heaven and on earth
everything visible and everything invisible.... Before anything was created, he existed, and he holds all things in unity. —Col. 1-15-17

...the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him.
—2 Chr. 2:6 KJV

None of this says God is His creation.

"The kingdom of God is not coming with things that can be observed; 21 nor will they say, "Look, here it is!' or "There it is!' For, in fact, the kingdom of God is among you." NRS
The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you” KJV

Jesus uses parables to teach us about God's kingdom and the divinity found in others.
Samaritan
Seed, gardens and mustard seeds parables.....
The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field...


Psalms or Songs and Prayers are full of imagery that attempt to convey the vast presence of God everywhere....
Some selections......

Who laid [the earth's] cornerstone
when all the stars of the morning were singing with joy,
and the Sons of God in chorus were chanting praise?...
Which is the way to the home of the light,
and where does darkness live?...
Who carves a channel for the downpour,
and hacks a way for rolling thunder?
What womb brings forth the ice,
and gives birth to the frost of heaven...?
Whose skill details every cloud
and tilts the flasks of heaven...?
Who makes provision for the raven
when his squabs cry out to God
and crane their necks in hunger? —Job 38.6-7,19,25,29,37,41

The heavens declare the glory of God,
the vault of heaven proclaims his handiwork;
day discourses of it to day,
night to night hands on the knowledge. —Ps. 19.1-2

Deep is calling to to deep as your cataracts roar;
All your waves, your breakers have rolled over me. —Ps. 42.7
Where could I go to escape your spirit?
Where could I flee from your presence?
If I climb the heavens, you are there,
there too, if I lie in Sheol.
If I flew to the point of sunrise, or westward across the sea
your hand would still be guiding me, your right hand holding me.
—Ps. 139.7-10

More imagery...........

And none of this taken in context says God is part of His creation.

We could say much more and still fall short; to put it concisely, "He is all."
—Sir. 43.27

What book is that?

Do I not fill heaven and earth? It is Yahweh who speaks. —Jer. 23.24

Look at the birds in the sky. They do not toil or reap or gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. ... And why worry about clothing? Think of the flowers growing in the fields; they never have to work or spin; yet I assure you that not even Solomon in all his regalia was robed like one of these. —Mt. 5.26,28-29

Even is people remain silent. Gods presence is around us......
If these keep silence, the stones will cry out. —Lk. 19.40

Using Light as a metaphor to describe God power and everythingness....in this case the Light is everywhere even darkness cannot put it out.

Through him all things came to be, not one thing had its being but through him. All that came to be had life in him and that life was the light of men, a light that shines in the dark, a light that darkness could not overpower. —Jn. 1.2-5

The bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world...I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never be hungry. —Jn.6.33,36

For from him, and through him and to him are all things. —Rm. 8.36 NIV

God is love, and anyone who lives in love, lives in God, and God in him. —1 Jn. 4.16

God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
—1 Jn. 1.5

That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us; For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain of your own poets have said. For we are also his offspring. [Acts 17:23-28.]

The Bible describes God in many non-personal images. Spirit, Sun, Word, Rock, Fire, Light, Waters of Life, Wisdom, and Love. Imagery is constantly used like this by people as they try to put spiritual concepts into words.

Your priestess has done a number on you. You defend buddhist ideas about God trying so very hard to make them into some form of Christianity.

God is not is-all-in-all. He is not what you flush down the comode, nor is He a child rapist. There is no shadow of turning in Him, He is not evil. He is not sinful, He is not unjust. He is not, nor can He be "is-all-in-all". Maybe you could understand it this way: The Isrealites would never have gotten in trouble for worshipping baal if God really was "is-all-in-all". How could the first commandment ever be broken if what you claim is true?

 

[Nineveh]

Pantheists worship trees and rocks. I like trees a lot but don't tend to pray to them that often.

Perhaps panentheism would be a better description if you are looking for a label.

You admit being panentheist? And you don't pray to rocks, that often? Why not? Your god is "is-all-in-all"....

 

[Nineveh]

It does.

Prove it panentheist.

 

[Nineveh]

Perhaps Jadespring is a supporter from feminist theology.

I think you nailed it. That's why dave agrees with jade. The only difference so far is dave at least is honest enough to admit where he gets his talking points from.

 

[Freak]

Prove it panentheist.

:LoJo:

 

[Jadespring]

You admit being panentheist? And you don't pray to rocks, that often? Why not? Your god is "is-all-in-all"....

I admit to no such thing. Get over it Nin.
Sarcasm.

 

[Nineveh]

beefalobilly called you a pantheist. You replied with " Perhaps panentheism would be a better description if you are looking for a label." I think that suits your beliefs far better than "Protestant Christian".