The words you use will be interpreted differently by each reader.
It means what it means to the reader.
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The words you use will be interpreted differently by each reader.
It means what it means to the reader.
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I repeat. Scripture can only mean what it meant.
..and passes the knowledge on to those that have an interest in the will.
The Bible is the revealed will and testament of the Almighty. Like a human will, once it has passed through probate, it becomes a public document and can be read by anyone. Reading the will however does not give the reader an interest in the estate. Only the testator has the right to nominate heirs.
Hence, an interest in the will.
oatmeal
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If we truly believed that God is the sole author of scripture, we would never attempt to interpret it.
II Peter 1:20
It not our job to interpret it but simply to let it speak for itself.
For example, Genesis 1:1 is self explanatory. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth
Who? God
did what? created
what did He create? the heaven and the earth.
when did God do this? in the beginning.
Not one iota of interpretation. See, let it speak for itself
Same with John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 and many other passages
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Yes, there are variant readings in biblical manuscripts, and some ommissions, interpolations, additions in some cases. Like any textual study, you research and consider all variant readings and come to the best contextual translation/interpretation with the texts available, as well as considering all literature associated with the subjects, persons and time period (non-canonical works, apocrypha, etc.)
I have no problem with this in whatever religious tradition or scriptures I'm studying, since I do not hold to a concept of 'inerrancy' or 'infallibility' of scriptures, and I deny the necessity of such a belief, since religious writings are more or less inspired, depending on various factors of their transmission. No matter, whatever truth is being shared,...it still must undergo translation and interpretation,...there will be some degree of distortion, and this is natural to our finite minds and this realm of conditional existence. Only what is absolute is absolute, all else is relative.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
I repeat too.......
I repeat too.......
You'd like to give the so called 'redeemed'/'elect' special privileges, and 'assume' they get special grants and treatment,.....making 'God' a respector of persons, the pontiff of a 'chosen people', exclusive "bless me" club, and other frills. Anyone can claim special rights and privileges, this doesnt make it so. Sorry, this kind of 'special me' theology doesnt cut it. God's grace is universally available.
Scripture means what it means to those who assume whatever it means, HOWEVER they 'translate' and 'interpret' it. - some meanings and values are indeed fundamental/essential to the text, while other aspects of it are subject to 'interpretation'. - has it dawned on you to see how many religious sects use the Bible as their 'guide' and have different and unique doctrinal emphasis and dogmas? - amid all the various christian denominations, there is a wide VARIETY of translations and interpretations. (this goes for any religious cult-ure or tradition, of course).
There is one universal Light, but so many ways that light gets refracted/reflected/trans-formed thru the lens of the mind. One Light and Spirit is the LIFE of all, but minds translate and interpret some things differently, according to point of view. Each individual sees from their own 'point of view'.
My former statement below holds
I repeat too.......
You'd like to give the so called 'redeemed'/'elect' special privileges, and 'assume' they get special grants and treatment,.....making 'God' a respector of persons, the pontiff of a 'chosen people', exclusive "bless me" club, and other frills. Anyone can claim special rights and privileges, this doesnt make it so. Sorry, this kind of 'special me' theology doesnt cut it. God's grace is universally available.
Scripture means what it means to those who assume whatever it means, HOWEVER they 'translate' and 'interpret' it. - some meanings and values are indeed fundamental/essential to the text, while other aspects of it are subject to 'interpretation'. - has it dawned on you to see how many religious sects use the Bible as their 'guide' and have different and unique doctrinal emphasis and dogmas? - amid all the various christian denominations, there is a wide VARIETY of translations and interpretations. (this goes for any religious cult-ure or tradition, of course).
There is one universal Light, but so many ways that light gets refracted/reflected/trans-formed thru the lens of the mind. One Light and Spirit is the LIFE of all, but minds translate and interpret some things differently, according to point of view. Each individual sees from their own 'point of view'.
My former statement below holds
You'd like to give the so called 'redeemed'/'elect' special privileges, and 'assume' they get special grants and treatment,.....making 'God' a respector of persons, the pontiff of a 'chosen people', exclusive "bless me" club, and other frills. Anyone can claim special rights and privileges, this doesnt make it so. Sorry, this kind of 'special me' theology doesnt cut it. God's grace is universally available.
Scripture means what it means to those who assume whatever it means, HOWEVER they 'translate' and 'interpret' it. - some meanings and values are indeed fundamental/essential to the text, while other aspects of it are subject to 'interpretation'. - has it dawned on you to see how many religious sects use the Bible as their 'guide' and have different and unique doctrinal emphasis and dogmas? - amid all the various christian denominations, there is a wide VARIETY of translations and interpretations. (this goes for any religious cult-ure or tradition, of course).
There is one universal Light, but so many ways that light gets refracted/reflected/trans-formed thru the lens of the mind. One Light and Spirit is the LIFE of all, but minds translate and interpret some things differently, according to point of view. Each individual sees from their own 'point of view'.
My former statement below holds
The privileges and pre-evangelism is for the heirs and for the heirs alone.
The law and the threatenings, for non compliance, are for every man who is not an heir.
Now, I've given you the facts. What I can't do is give you the spiritual capacity to absorb, comprehend and receive the comfort and assurance these facts communicate.
Scripture can only mean, convey and communicate, what scripture meant and was meant to do.
I have spoken to someone who did a degree in ancient text and he told me how there were many hand written texts which 'proved' they were a true record.
However considering the strong motive the Romans would have had to tweak things their way and that period 2 or 3 hundred years after Christ where there seems to be complete chaos.
If something fundamental was changed it would affect the interpretation of a lot of other things.
My two main issues.
1. The name Yeshua being replaced with Jesus. Jesus I believe has power and I believe is the true name of God and must be said in the English way.
It doesn't have the same power said the Spanish way, (this is why no one gives the name Jesus to their children in English speaking countries but they do in Spanish speaking countries.
Also to support this a special Greek letter was made up to denote the new J sound.
2. Again a name issue. We start with God (Elohim). In Genesis 4 we have Lord (YHWH). Same thing? Perhaps we wouldn't think so if it wasn't for Genesis 2,3.
Anyway I will leave it at that for now.
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freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
dogma gridlock.......
dogma gridlock.......
Your 'interpretation' among many others is noted
dogma gridlock.......
Your 'interpretation' among many others is noted
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Differences in manuscripts.............
Differences in manuscripts.............
The thing is no original autographs exist, unless someone can prove their 'copy' is the original. So we have but copies of copies, and even though scribes were very diligent to copy carefully we have variant readings and some distinguishable manuscript traditions or groupings, which reflect the religious communities related to the scribe, their nuances and inflections of doctrine.
It would be a natural logical occurance due to man's own writing of his own gospels, creating his own myths, and in recounting of supposed historical events, for some details or records to contradict each other, or be another point of view from a writer of those same events. Some inconsistencies may appear, or some 'redactions' or 'interpolations' may be apparent within a given context.
Dr. Steven DiMattei examines contradictions in an objective fashion seeing that such accounts were written for various reasons by their writers within their own cultural-setting, societal constructs, belief-systems, etc. See: - What is the Bible? - his seminal work is mostly the OT, but I look forward to him doing the NT sometime. His approach is not anti-religious or anti-faith necessarily, put historical in context, in understanding some of the factors that would account for any 'contradictions' in the records.
Differences in manuscripts.............
The thing is no original autographs exist, unless someone can prove their 'copy' is the original. So we have but copies of copies, and even though scribes were very diligent to copy carefully we have variant readings and some distinguishable manuscript traditions or groupings, which reflect the religious communities related to the scribe, their nuances and inflections of doctrine.
It would be a natural logical occurance due to man's own writing of his own gospels, creating his own myths, and in recounting of supposed historical events, for some details or records to contradict each other, or be another point of view from a writer of those same events. Some inconsistencies may appear, or some 'redactions' or 'interpolations' may be apparent within a given context.
Dr. Steven DiMattei examines contradictions in an objective fashion seeing that such accounts were written for various reasons by their writers within their own cultural-setting, societal constructs, belief-systems, etc. See: - What is the Bible? - his seminal work is mostly the OT, but I look forward to him doing the NT sometime. His approach is not anti-religious or anti-faith necessarily, put historical in context, in understanding some of the factors that would account for any 'contradictions' in the records.
Zeke
Well-known member
The outward is the broad road everyone is taught to follow, and defend it till their last breath unless they have a revelation from? within.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Kingdom within.....................
Kingdom within.....................
Adding to Luke 17:21,....we also have Gospel of Thomas saying 113 -
His disciples said to him, "When is the kingdom going to come?" <Jesus said>, "It is not by being waited for that it is going to come. They are not going to say, 'Here it is' or 'There it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out over the earth, and people do not see it."
-LAYTON
The true light is the gnosis within the soul, by the essence and revelation of the spirit, which is not sourced in or limited to the physical world or the realm of appearances.
Don't forget our 'Gospel of Thomas' thread here,....we are going thru sayings and commentating,....we are so far up to saying 49, among the 114 sayings.
Kingdom within.....................
Adding to Luke 17:21,....we also have Gospel of Thomas saying 113 -
His disciples said to him, "When is the kingdom going to come?" <Jesus said>, "It is not by being waited for that it is going to come. They are not going to say, 'Here it is' or 'There it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out over the earth, and people do not see it."
-LAYTON
The true light is the gnosis within the soul, by the essence and revelation of the spirit, which is not sourced in or limited to the physical world or the realm of appearances.
Don't forget our 'Gospel of Thomas' thread here,....we are going thru sayings and commentating,....we are so far up to saying 49, among the 114 sayings.
Zeke
Well-known member
The universe which we study with such care is a dream, and we the dreamers of the dream, eternal dreamers dreaming non eternal dreams. One day, like Nebuchadnezzar we shall awaken from the dream, from the nightmare in which we fought with demons, to find that we really never left our eternal home; that we were never born and have never died save in our dream. Neville Goddard awakening imagination.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Only Mind interprets. Spirit is just BEING.
Only Mind interprets. Spirit is just BEING.
Yes, the concept of the 'dream' has many parallels in the mirror of consciousness, but the question is....what is 'real' and what is more or less 'illusion'(maya)? - and our true seeking is into that which is truly real, the unborn, timeless, undying, infinite, incorruptible, stainless REALITY - In this conditional realm of existence, the play of space and time....images, sights, appearances comes and go,...while all the while the crystal diamond light of pure consciousness abides as the eternal witness, the ONE in which all these movements and images arise within, and then dissolve back into. - and so....as long as relativity plays out and unfolds its potentials and possibilities....dreaming, sleeping and awakening continues...in the eternal process. - ALL in this conditional realm of existence is subject to 'interpretation' and 'translation'...while that which is prior to and transcending space, time and change....ever ABIDES.
I Am
I as pure awareness...am the eternal witness-consciousness. I am even that which is prior to consciousness, that unborn space from out of which consciousness itself arises.
Only Mind interprets. Spirit is just BEING.
Yes, the concept of the 'dream' has many parallels in the mirror of consciousness, but the question is....what is 'real' and what is more or less 'illusion'(maya)? - and our true seeking is into that which is truly real, the unborn, timeless, undying, infinite, incorruptible, stainless REALITY
- In this conditional realm of existence, the play of space and time....images, sights, appearances comes and go,...while all the while the crystal diamond light of pure consciousness abides as the eternal witness, the ONE in which all these movements and images arise within, and then dissolve back into. - and so....as long as relativity plays out and unfolds its potentials and possibilities....dreaming, sleeping and awakening continues...in the eternal process. - ALL in this conditional realm of existence is subject to 'interpretation' and 'translation'...while that which is prior to and transcending space, time and change....ever ABIDES.I Am
I as pure awareness...am the eternal witness-consciousness. I am even that which is prior to consciousness, that unborn space from out of which consciousness itself arises.
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I died and it was black
...and very, very hot.
That may be your fate but not mine