Jose Fly
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Yep. According to 6days, if Genesis isn't read as literal history, Christ's sacrifice on the cross was "meaningless", which obviously means Christianity itself is false....exactly as I described.
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Yeah, because if you roll a rock the size of the Earth down a hill and it rolls up a smaller hill and stops atop it, most of the energy is dispersed as heat.
Darwinists attack the Hydroplate theory out of fear and do nothing to understand it.
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I guess you're not interested in anything but your denial. :idunno:
Therefore, something. :idunno:
I was commenting on what you believe... You hold to HPT, right?
What about the water in the sky that you think the Bible describes?
6days
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We know that the seas didn't boil. We also know the whole earth was flooded.Barbarian said:
Paul warns that in the last days there will be mockers of the flood that destroyed the world that existed then.
"Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, ‘Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.’ For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.” (2 Peter 3:3-6)
We also know why.
If the Darwinists could accurately describe what is proposed to have happened, that would be clear. Instead, they rely on descriptions from their imaginations.
Barbarian observes:
Just given the mass of the crust, the energy to move and stop them in so short a time would produce enough heat to boil the seas.
Which is one of the ways we know that the continents took many millions of years to get to their present position.
You believe so, in contradiction to the Bible, which says no such thing.
Just given the mass of the crust, the energy to move and stop them in so short a time would produce enough heat to boil the seas.
Which is one of the ways we know that the continents took many millions of years to get to their present position.
You believe so, in contradiction to the Bible, which says no such thing.
So...
This:
Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth.The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters.And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. - Genesis 7:17-20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis7:17-20&version=NKJV
doesn't say that the earth was completely covered in water?
"[The ark] rose high above the earth."
"All the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed 15 cubits upward, and the mountains were covered."
So, unless you think the mountains are only a few feet high, you've got a serious problem with your denial.
Right. It doesn't.
So the highest mountains it covered were about 25 feet high, if you take the flood story as literally true in that respect. So, unless you think the mountains are only a few feet high, you've got a serious problem with your re-interpretation of this story. C'mon.
Of course. How else would it be dispersed? If it wasn't dispersed, it would roll back and forth indefinitely.
Wow. That's sad. Question:
Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth.The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters.And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man.All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died.So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive.And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days. - Genesis 7:17-24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis7:17-24&version=NKJV
Do you believe that this entire passage is figurative?
And where in the Bible do you find that "mountain" in scripture doesn't really mean mountain (see the definition I provided below, which I got just by googling "mountain"), but instead means "25-foot hills"?
I think that when it says mountains in Genesis 7:20, it means a large landform that stretches above the surrounding land in a limited area, usually in the form of a peak, generally steeper than a hill, and I believe they were about 6-7 thousand feet tall.
As far as your accusation, I'm simply reading scripture as-is, and not "re-interpreting" the story.
We know you reject the Biblical account.
This whole physics thing is a bit beyond you, isn't it? :chuckle:
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A skateboarder drops off the lip on a half-pipe, rolls down the slope and up the other side, where he dismounts. Barbarian, watching, exclaims: "Oh, his energy didn't disperse! He's going to have to keep rolling back and forth forever!"
Stupid, stupid Blablaman. :chuckle:
6days
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Scripture refers to him as a scoffer, or mocker. 2 Peter 3: Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come...it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.Stripe said:
Barbarian chuckles:
Of course. How else would it be dispersed? If it wasn't dispersed, it would roll back and forth indefinitely.
Well, let's see if we can help you with it...
A moving ball has kinetic energy. Going down the hill, it gains kinetic energy, losing potential energy. At the bottom of the hill, it has a maximum of kinetic energy and zero potential energy. As it goes up the hill, it gains potential energy and loses kinetic energy. When it gets to a point somewhat lower than the point at which it started, it will stop and then begin to roll downhill the other way. And it will go back and forth, in lower and lower runs as more and more of the energy is dispersed as heat from friction. Eventially, all of the energy will be lost, and the ball will come to a halt at the bottom of the hill.
Since it's at the bottom of the hill, it has no potential energy and since it's not moving, it has no kinetic energy. Where did it all disperse? In the form of heat.
Now, if there was no friction from air resistance or rolling friction, there would be no dispersion of energy as heat, and the ball would oscillate back and forth indefinitely.
What has you confused, Stipe, is the fact that kinetic energy is not dispersed (other than by friction into heat), but is transformed into a different form of energy, potential energy.
If you'll watch closely, you'll see that he doesn't just "drop", Stipe. He "pumps" when he hits the bottom of the pipe, to add energy to the board. This increases the kinetic energy and allows him to go higher than he would than if he merely rolled like a ball down a hill:
So, up the hill, most of the kinetic energy has been transformed to potential energy. The remaining energy is lost as heat from friction, when he dismounts and he lands on the deck,and comes to a halt.
Stipe, being unaware of the physics involved, exclaims: "Oh, his energy didn't disperse! He's going to have to keep rolling back and forth forever!"
Stupid, stupid Stipe. :chuckle:
Could be. But of course, since it doesn't say the whole world was flooded, and since there was a huge regional flood in the Middle East at roughly the right time, I'm inclined to believe that it did happen.
As you admit, the mountains at the time were thousands of feet high, and therefore, if the water only raised 25 feet, not even the mountains in the Middle East would have been covered. Not even valleys higher than 25 feet above the lower plains. So that's pretty much out.
There were such peaks where the Black Sea was created by the flood. There are also remains of settlements at the bottom of the Black Sea.
I see your denial, but as in this post, you have revised God's word to suit your own inclinations.
Arthur Brain
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This reminds me of when TH schooled Stipe as to how the legal system works, a thread actually started by Stipe and one in which he he embarrassed himself by showing a lack of even a layman's understanding of the law.
Prediction: He'll call you 'blablaman', scuttle off under a flurry of smileys and/or go on about 'Darwinists' again.