I Support Capital Punishment

[Freak]

Didn't answer the question. Should we at least speak out against evil? Or are we required to endure evil in silence?

You overcome evil with the preaching of the gospel and calling people to repentance. This is overcoming evil with good. It is good to preach the gospel.

 

[Freak]

I'm not interested in arguing theological differences, I am interested in US law and executing murderers.

Then perhaps you need to create another thread.

 

[Imrahil]

You overcome evil with the preaching of the gospel and calling people to repentance. This is overcoming evil with good. It is good to preach the gospel.

Do you believe the death penalty is evil?

 

[Freak]

Or are we required to endure evil in silence?

The apostle Peter tells us:

It is better, if it is God's will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.

 

[BillyBob]

Then perhaps you need to create another thread.

Why, the topic of this thread is Capital Punishment????

Perhaps you should find another forum if you don't like it around here.

 

[Freak]

Do you believe the death penalty is evil?

No. However, the death penalty under our present covenant, unlike in the Old Covenant, is not permissable.

I support captial punishment that God directly provides Himself!!

I firmly believe God directly executes judgment, according to His will and discretion, and death upon men and nations for certain offences. But this is God's prerogative not man's (nor a governments).

 

[BillyBob]

Hey Freak, should we let this guy live????? :madmad:

Jessie Buried While Alive, Documents Sayhttp://www.tampatrib.com/MGB649RFS7E.html

Published: Apr 21, 2005


HOMOSASSA - Jessica Marie ``Jessie'' Lunsford spent the last hours of her life bound and buried alive in a partial kneeling position while she clutched one of her favorite dolls, a purple stuffed dolphin, prosecutors say in documents released Wednesday.

When her body was found buried March 19 in a 4-foot- deep grave, the 9-year-old Citrus County girl was wrapped in two plastic trash bags that were knotted at her head and feet, the state attorney's office said in 292 pages of evidence - released to the defense Tuesday - that revealed the nature of her death.

The files include statements from investigators, the coroner's office and John Evander Couey, 46, the convicted sex offender who investigators say gave them a statement saying he raped and killed Jessie.

The documents released Wednesday say Jessie's wrists were bound with stereo wire and two of her fingers poked through the plastic, arguably an indication she tried to escape her makeshift tomb.

The documents also say she was kept alive for an unspecified period near the home she shared with her father, Mark, and grandparents, Archie and Ruth.

Authorities say Couey gave them information only her killer would know.

Jessie was buried 150 yards from her home, behind a trailer Couey shared with three other adults.

She was dressed in shorts and a tank-top shirt, different from the nightgown authorities and her family say she wore before she disappeared.

A coroner's report states she suffocated.

The documents say there was no other sign of trauma.

Assistant State Attorney Pete Magrino would not discuss the taped statements by Couey or other details of the case.

The recording ``will not be released to the public until the trial,'' Magrino said.

Couey is charged with first- degree murder, sexual battery on a child under 12, kidnapping, and burglary with battery.

Prosecutors say they will seek the death penalty if he is convicted on the murder charge.

Couey, despite his recorded statement to authorities, has pleaded not guilty.

His court-appointed attorney, Assistant Public Defender Dan Lewan, could not be reached for comment.

Investigators say Jessie's grave was partially concealed by a mound of leaves and debris that littered the back yard where she was buried. It is still not known whether she was buried before deputies, volunteers and search dogs combed the yard in the first days of their search.

Citrus County Sheriff Jeff Dawsy has said Couey's account of things was jumbled because he was in a drug haze at the time of the crimes. Evidence collected near the grave includes two glass crack-cocaine pipes and three pornographic magazines, according to investigators' statements.

Other sheriff's interviews suggest that Couey's three housemates used alcohol and drugs and may have harbored him from deputies seeking to arrest him on a misdemeanor violation of probation charge shortly after Jessie was reported missing.

Last month, his half sister, Dorothy Marie Dixon, 47; Madie Catherine Secord, 27; and Matthew Oley Dittrich, 31, were charged with misdemeanor obstruction, but prosecutors dropped the charges, saying Florida lacks a law making lying to deputies a crime in their case.

Meanwhile, investigators searching Couey's bedroom say they seized the sleeve from a Shirley Temple videotape, ``Curly Top,'' and several items of bedding or clothing that tested positive for blood or could contain blood samples. The file has no information about the source of the blood.

They unsuccessfully sought a pair of leather gloves authorities say Couey said he wore during the abduction.

On Feb. 23, the night she was last seen alive by her family, Jessie went to church. She was discovered missing by her father the next morning, a day she anticipated taking the Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test, documents say.

A door of the family's mobile home was found unlocked.

Prosecutors say sometime during the night of Feb. 23 or early the next morning, Couey slipped into the Lunsford home and snatched the girl, leaving no signs of a struggle and without waking her grandparents, who were sleeping in another part of the house.

At the time, authorities say, he had not reported his move to Jessie's neighborhood. Registered sex offenders are required to report a change of address.

Couey was stopped on a probation violation March 12 in Savannah, Ga., but the warrant did not carry out-of-state arrest authority, so he was released. He was arrested on a revised warrant March 17.

The next day, after he underwent a polygraph test but before he knew the results, he made a statement of guilt, authorities say.

 

[Freak]

Why, the topic of this thread is Capital Punishment????

Perhaps you should find another forum if you don't like it around here.

This thread is in the "General Theology" section because we are dealing with the theological implication not the political or current events end of it.

 

[BillyBob]

This thread is in the "General Theology" section because we are dealing with the theological implication not the political or current events end of it.

Yeah, that's one way to avoid dealing with reality, however I will not give you such an easy way out. If your theology were to be acknowledged by our legislators, we would become a theocracy and I am here to prevent such a thing.

That, and I enjoy harassing you. :sozo2:

 

[BillyBob]

Hey Freak, should we let this guy live????? :madmad:

Jessie Buried While Alive, Documents Sayhttp://www.tampatrib.com/MGB649RFS7E.html

Published: Apr 21, 2005


HOMOSASSA - Jessica Marie ``Jessie'' Lunsford spent the last hours of her life bound and buried alive in a partial kneeling position while she clutched one of her favorite dolls, a purple stuffed dolphin, prosecutors say in documents released Wednesday.

When her body was found buried March 19 in a 4-foot- deep grave, the 9-year-old Citrus County girl was wrapped in two plastic trash bags that were knotted at her head and feet, the state attorney's office said in 292 pages of evidence - released to the defense Tuesday - that revealed the nature of her death.

The files include statements from investigators, the coroner's office and John Evander Couey, 46, the convicted sex offender who investigators say gave them a statement saying he raped and killed Jessie.

The documents released Wednesday say Jessie's wrists were bound with stereo wire and two of her fingers poked through the plastic, arguably an indication she tried to escape her makeshift tomb.

The documents also say she was kept alive for an unspecified period near the home she shared with her father, Mark, and grandparents, Archie and Ruth.

Authorities say Couey gave them information only her killer would know.

Jessie was buried 150 yards from her home, behind a trailer Couey shared with three other adults.

She was dressed in shorts and a tank-top shirt, different from the nightgown authorities and her family say she wore before she disappeared.

A coroner's report states she suffocated.

The documents say there was no other sign of trauma.

Assistant State Attorney Pete Magrino would not discuss the taped statements by Couey or other details of the case.

The recording ``will not be released to the public until the trial,'' Magrino said.

Couey is charged with first- degree murder, sexual battery on a child under 12, kidnapping, and burglary with battery.

Prosecutors say they will seek the death penalty if he is convicted on the murder charge.

Couey, despite his recorded statement to authorities, has pleaded not guilty.

His court-appointed attorney, Assistant Public Defender Dan Lewan, could not be reached for comment.

Investigators say Jessie's grave was partially concealed by a mound of leaves and debris that littered the back yard where she was buried. It is still not known whether she was buried before deputies, volunteers and search dogs combed the yard in the first days of their search.

Citrus County Sheriff Jeff Dawsy has said Couey's account of things was jumbled because he was in a drug haze at the time of the crimes. Evidence collected near the grave includes two glass crack-cocaine pipes and three pornographic magazines, according to investigators' statements.

Other sheriff's interviews suggest that Couey's three housemates used alcohol and drugs and may have harbored him from deputies seeking to arrest him on a misdemeanor violation of probation charge shortly after Jessie was reported missing.

Last month, his half sister, Dorothy Marie Dixon, 47; Madie Catherine Secord, 27; and Matthew Oley Dittrich, 31, were charged with misdemeanor obstruction, but prosecutors dropped the charges, saying Florida lacks a law making lying to deputies a crime in their case.

Meanwhile, investigators searching Couey's bedroom say they seized the sleeve from a Shirley Temple videotape, ``Curly Top,'' and several items of bedding or clothing that tested positive for blood or could contain blood samples. The file has no information about the source of the blood.

They unsuccessfully sought a pair of leather gloves authorities say Couey said he wore during the abduction.

On Feb. 23, the night she was last seen alive by her family, Jessie went to church. She was discovered missing by her father the next morning, a day she anticipated taking the Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test, documents say.

A door of the family's mobile home was found unlocked.

Prosecutors say sometime during the night of Feb. 23 or early the next morning, Couey slipped into the Lunsford home and snatched the girl, leaving no signs of a struggle and without waking her grandparents, who were sleeping in another part of the house.

At the time, authorities say, he had not reported his move to Jessie's neighborhood. Registered sex offenders are required to report a change of address.

Couey was stopped on a probation violation March 12 in Savannah, Ga., but the warrant did not carry out-of-state arrest authority, so he was released. He was arrested on a revised warrant March 17.

The next day, after he underwent a polygraph test but before he knew the results, he made a statement of guilt, authorities say.

 

[Freak]

Yeah, that's one way to avoid dealing with reality, however I will not give you such an easy way out.

I'm not one to walk on a road that leads to less resistance.

If your theology were to be acknowledged by our legislators, we would become a theocracy and I am here to prevent such a thing.

Jesus is King regardless!!! :first:

 

[BillyBob]

I'm not one to walk on a road that leads to less resistance.

Then you should enjoy this.

Jesus is King regardless!!! :first:

Yeah, well, until Jesus returns and claims his Kingdom, we are obligated to govern ourselves. Killing murderers is part of that obligation.

 

[BillyBob]

Hey Freak, should we let this guy live????? :madmad:

Jessie Buried While Alive, Documents Sayhttp://www.tampatrib.com/MGB649RFS7E.html

Published: Apr 21, 2005


HOMOSASSA - Jessica Marie ``Jessie'' Lunsford spent the last hours of her life bound and buried alive in a partial kneeling position while she clutched one of her favorite dolls, a purple stuffed dolphin, prosecutors say in documents released Wednesday.

When her body was found buried March 19 in a 4-foot- deep grave, the 9-year-old Citrus County girl was wrapped in two plastic trash bags that were knotted at her head and feet, the state attorney's office said in 292 pages of evidence - released to the defense Tuesday - that revealed the nature of her death.

The files include statements from investigators, the coroner's office and John Evander Couey, 46, the convicted sex offender who investigators say gave them a statement saying he raped and killed Jessie.

The documents released Wednesday say Jessie's wrists were bound with stereo wire and two of her fingers poked through the plastic, arguably an indication she tried to escape her makeshift tomb.

The documents also say she was kept alive for an unspecified period near the home she shared with her father, Mark, and grandparents, Archie and Ruth.

Authorities say Couey gave them information only her killer would know.

Jessie was buried 150 yards from her home, behind a trailer Couey shared with three other adults.

She was dressed in shorts and a tank-top shirt, different from the nightgown authorities and her family say she wore before she disappeared.

A coroner's report states she suffocated.

The documents say there was no other sign of trauma.

Assistant State Attorney Pete Magrino would not discuss the taped statements by Couey or other details of the case.

The recording ``will not be released to the public until the trial,'' Magrino said.

Couey is charged with first- degree murder, sexual battery on a child under 12, kidnapping, and burglary with battery.

Prosecutors say they will seek the death penalty if he is convicted on the murder charge.

Couey, despite his recorded statement to authorities, has pleaded not guilty.

His court-appointed attorney, Assistant Public Defender Dan Lewan, could not be reached for comment.

Investigators say Jessie's grave was partially concealed by a mound of leaves and debris that littered the back yard where she was buried. It is still not known whether she was buried before deputies, volunteers and search dogs combed the yard in the first days of their search.

Citrus County Sheriff Jeff Dawsy has said Couey's account of things was jumbled because he was in a drug haze at the time of the crimes. Evidence collected near the grave includes two glass crack-cocaine pipes and three pornographic magazines, according to investigators' statements.

Other sheriff's interviews suggest that Couey's three housemates used alcohol and drugs and may have harbored him from deputies seeking to arrest him on a misdemeanor violation of probation charge shortly after Jessie was reported missing.

Last month, his half sister, Dorothy Marie Dixon, 47; Madie Catherine Secord, 27; and Matthew Oley Dittrich, 31, were charged with misdemeanor obstruction, but prosecutors dropped the charges, saying Florida lacks a law making lying to deputies a crime in their case.

Meanwhile, investigators searching Couey's bedroom say they seized the sleeve from a Shirley Temple videotape, ``Curly Top,'' and several items of bedding or clothing that tested positive for blood or could contain blood samples. The file has no information about the source of the blood.

They unsuccessfully sought a pair of leather gloves authorities say Couey said he wore during the abduction.

On Feb. 23, the night she was last seen alive by her family, Jessie went to church. She was discovered missing by her father the next morning, a day she anticipated taking the Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test, documents say.

A door of the family's mobile home was found unlocked.

Prosecutors say sometime during the night of Feb. 23 or early the next morning, Couey slipped into the Lunsford home and snatched the girl, leaving no signs of a struggle and without waking her grandparents, who were sleeping in another part of the house.

At the time, authorities say, he had not reported his move to Jessie's neighborhood. Registered sex offenders are required to report a change of address.

Couey was stopped on a probation violation March 12 in Savannah, Ga., but the warrant did not carry out-of-state arrest authority, so he was released. He was arrested on a revised warrant March 17.

The next day, after he underwent a polygraph test but before he knew the results, he made a statement of guilt, authorities say.

 

[Imrahil]

You overcome evil with the preaching of the gospel and calling people to repentance. This is overcoming evil with good. It is good to preach the gospel.

If the death penalty is not permissable today, and we are to speak out against evil and call people to repentance, why did Paul express support for capital punishment in Acts 25:11?

 

[Freak]

If the death penalty is not permissable today, and we are to speak out against evil and call people to repentance, why did Paul express support for capital punishment in Acts 25:11?

Acts 25:11 speaks nothing of God ordaining governments to put to death criminals. Besides, the apostle Paul did not call for the following individuals to submit to the authorities to be put to death...the "sexually immoral," "idolaters," "adulterers," "male prostitutes," and "homosexual offenders." Rather, he said they were "washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Was Paul wrong to not call these individuals to submit to the governing authorities to be put to death?
Did Paul have an obligation, if there was a call for the death penalty for those comitting these capital crimes, to ensure they were placed in the hand's of the authorities to be put to death?

It appears Paul was more interested in their restoration then their death. For they were active members of the church body. My friend, the gospel message of healing, forgiveness, and repentance is more effective then calling for death as seen in the first century church at Corinth.

 

[Mr. 5020]

Hey Freak, should we let this guy live????? :madmad:

Answer the question, Freak.

 

[Freak]

Answer the question, Freak.

I already answered the question with my very first post when I stated:

"I firmly believe God directly executes judgment, according to His will and discretion, and death upon men and nations for certain offences. But this is God's prerogative not man's (nor a governments)."

If God wants anyone to die, trust me, He will ensure they die. He's not powerless!

 

[Mr. 5020]

I already answered the question with my very first post when I stated:

"I firmly believe God directly executes judgment, according to His will and discretion, and death upon men and nations for certain offences. But this is God's prerogative not man's (nor a governments)."

If God wants anyone to die, trust me, He will ensure they die. He's not powerless!

So, what do you believe is proper punishment for this situation?

 

[Freak]

So, what do you believe is proper punishment for this situation?

I answered that too in my very first post when I said:

"In this, the New Covenant gives liberty in the area of punishment. The death penalty however is not an option, as the New Covenant does not give the governments of the world an allowance to put to death criminals."

Mr. 5020, I believe God does a better job in putting to death those whom He believes merits death then we humans.

In fact, God will not be mocked...

...but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay..."

This is a promise from holy God. His vegenace is better! The key word to note is: I.

He will repay.

 

[Mr. 5020]

I answered that too in my very first post when I said:

"In this, the New Covenant gives liberty in the area of punishment. The death penalty however is not an option, as the New Covenant does not give the governments of the world an allowance to put to death criminals."

Mr. 5020, I believe God does a better job in putting to death those whom He believes merits death then we humans.

In fact, God will not be mocked...

...but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay..."

This is a promise from holy God. His vegenace is better! The key word to note is: I.

He will repay.

So, you would be okay with paper-cutting him once per second until he passed out, then starting over again when he woke up, but not killing him?