shagster01
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Yes. And if they did the same to us he'd call it evil. To him only other people are capable of being evil, even if he desires the same.
I don't have a problem with the Iraq war or Afganistan war
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Yes. And if they did the same to us he'd call it evil. To him only other people are capable of being evil, even if he desires the same.
Lexington'96
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But when we do it, we do it for freedom!
(insert that Romney quote about freeing nations from dictators).
Christian Liberty
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This is what saddens me so much as an actual Christian. The neocons don't care how many lives they destroy (let alone how many people's livelihood they destroy) in order to construct their utopian visions of a Christianized world imposed at the point of a gun. Typically I'd say "democracy" but most of the people here support some type of monarchy (which is really the least of their problems.)
These cultures in the Middle East are Islamic to the core. They want to do things that we as westerners would find repugnant. And we are right to find them repugnant, as the Bible, which is the foundation for Western Civilization, says they are repugnant. However, we cannot simply remold the world to our liking. God didn't give governments authority outside their own borders for a reason.
I would just ask you, as an atheist, keep in mind that not all of us are like this, and some of us are actively fighting the influence of things like this in our churches. I believe in God's grace. I also believe in justice, but not in the bloodthirsty way that some of these people do.
And that's not to say I'm better than them. Indeed, I was just like them, before I got saved.
Except that never works. And neocons are too stupid/evil to understand that it doesn't work. Dictators are not oppressing western minded people that desperately want American style government. These people are Islamic radicals, who want to be ruled by Sharia.
Daniel1611
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Most of these war proponents are a bunch of fat old men, who wouldn't consider enlisting, all loaded on Budweiser and Viagra telling us which country we should send someone else's kids to die in for no reason. The pro-war crowd aren't these super-patriots they claim to be. I feel bad for the sheep that get in line behind whatever phony BS the US government spoon feeds them.
Hunh, I didn't know that your god set countries borders. I thought the Brits did a lot of that in the middle East after WWI. God tell them where to draw the lines on the map?
Your god gave Saddam or Assad their authority? Interesting.
It wasn't a happy time for those of us who knew early on that Bush was beating the hornet's nest with a long pole.
And it was no gain to be proven right.
Lies. All lies.
Later it was revealed that Bush had no idea what Sunni or Shia Muslims even were. He thought they were religions that were not connected to Islam.
The one incredible fact was that most people believed the talking points and thought Saddam Hussein was responsible for the 9/11 tragedy.
Lexington'96
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I'm not Catholic, but there are some Catholics who would make great Presidents:
Walter B. Jones Jr.
Andrew Napolitano
Lewellyn Rockwell
zoo22
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What did Bush do?
Seriously.
It's been almost 15 years now. We invaded Afghanistan in 2001, invaded Iraq in 2003. What did it accomplish?
What is it that Bush did?
repub chiq has no problem with anything republicans and fox news tells her
zoo22
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Well, yeah ... She thinks of Bill O'Reilly as a "virtual saint." She thinks Reagan should be canonized as a saint (she believes he's converting to Catholicism post-death), and she prays to him.
Can't make this stuff up.
Motives = money
Money = Oil, opium, money to build things to destroy stuff, money to rebuild the stuff you destroyed.
Great gig if you can get it ... that is, unless there is a God ... then you've got a problem.
Daniel1611
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How convenient that after all this time in war, the problem is only getting worse and we have to send more soldiers. Chuck Hagel said we'll probably be sending combat troops to Iraq in the near future. The war profiteers finally devised a golden scheme. Instead of starting a new war every few years, they have created one perpetual war that will span the earth and last forever. They finally have their golden goose.
Daniel1611
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There's more profit available than the oil. You have all the munitions manufacturing, construction and so on and so forth. I read this book called "Wise Guy" which is the true story that the movie Goodfellas was based on. In it, Henry Hill describes how the mob would become partners in a business and get a share of the profit. But they would also order all the food, silverware etc. from companies they also had stake in. They would get loans under the business name. They would have it cleaned by a cleaning company they had part in. Then they would set it on fire and get a piece of the insurance. Hill said the mob made money off of every single part of a business. That's how the war profiteers are with these wars. They make money off of every part of the war.
republicanchick
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that guy is paranoid. Sure, anyone with a brain is also paranoid... so called paranoid
but this guy is not just suspicious... he is imagining things
Christian Liberty
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Its odd. Burkean conservatives are big on reality. Modern conservatives have a real problem with reality.
No, you cannot just sweep in and win a crushing military victory and expect everything to be fine and dandy. Reality doesn't work that way
No, you cannot just sweep in and win a crushing military victory and expect everything to be fine and dandy. Reality doesn't work that way
I wholeheartedly agree, Christian Liberty.
Colin Powell told Bush before the invasions that "If you break it, you own it."
We broke it all right but our hubris prevented us from recognizing we had broken it. And years after we left Iraq bleeding and broken, the ones who pushed the war have still been unable or unwilling to be accountable that we broke it and failed to own up to it.