How do we know which scriptures are inspired by God?

Elia

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Can you tell us of the efforts of Jews to "be a light unto the Gentiles" during the last 2,000 years?

Bs"d

You are looking at one those efforts right now!

Exactly, what are the characteristics of this "light" that you are spreading?

I'm telling the world that only Y-H-W-H is God, and that God is one and His name one.

"And Y-H-W-H will become king over all the earth; on that day Y-H-W-H will be ONE and his name ONE."
Zech 14:9
 

beameup

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Exactly, what are the characteristics of this "light" that you are spreading?

Bs"d
You are looking at one those efforts right now!

I'm telling the world that only Y-H-W-H is God, and that God is one and His name one.
Zech 14:9

The silence from Judaism is deafening... it has been deafening since 70 A.D. when "your light went out"
From the Tanakh, God has many "names", so that makes you a liar; however, God is "One"
Matter of fact, he wouldn't even reveal his name to Jacob when he wrestled with him.
But He did reveal it to Isaiah:
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting ʼâb, The Prince of Peace. - Isaiah 9:6
 

Elia

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Exactly, what are the characteristics of this "light" that you are spreading?



The silence from Judaism is deafening... it has been deafening since 70 A.D. when "your light went out"
From the Tanakh, God has many "names", so that makes you a liar; however, God is "One"
Matter of fact, he wouldn't even reveal his name to Jacob when he wrestled with him.
But He did reveal it to Isaiah:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting ʼâb, The Prince of Peace. - Isaiah 9:6

Bs"d

As usual, you are mixed up again. Those are not the names of God, those are the names of the child, born in the days of Isaiah, about 2700 years ago:

Isaiah 9:2-7 "2 The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shined. 3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, thou hast increased its joy; they rejoice before thee as with joy at the harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. 4 For the yoke of his burden, and the staff for his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, thou hast broken as on the day of Mid'ian. 5 For every boot of the tramping warrior in battle tumult and every garment rolled in blood will be burned as fuel for the fire. 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace". 7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David, and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and for evermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this."
Please take notice of the fact that Isaiah is talking in the past tense: "The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shined.|

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government is upon his shoulder, and his name was called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

These are things which had happened already in the days of Isaiah.

If, despite these facts, you still want to apply these verses to JC, than read verse 5, 6, and 7, and see that JC didn't do any of those things. He never ruled on the throne of David, he never had any government on his shoulders, and there never was endless peace over his kingdom.

The same holds true for the verses 6 and 7: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace". 7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David, and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and for evermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this."

All of this doesn't hold true for JC; he never had any government on his shoulder. And also here is spoken in the past tense: "A child is born, a son is given. But most translations give it in the future tense. For instance the RSV, NIV, NAS, ESV, KJV, NIRV, the all say; "His name will be called ....", future tense. However, in the Hebrew text this too is past tense: "His name was called ...." The Hebrew expression here is "wayikra". That is the first word in the book of Leviticus. And all the previously mentioned translations there say: "And the Lord called Mozes ..." Past tense. Exactly the same the word. Isn't that weird? Exactly the same word is used in Genesis 5:1; "And God called the light 'day'" Called. Past tense. Nobody argues with that one. But why then, in Isaiah 9, is it suddenly changed to future tense? The answer is simple: The past tense doesn't fit with the Christian theology, and therefore the Bible translations are corrupted and twisted to fit the Christian religion. Just like that. There is only one solution for this problem: Take a course in Biblical Hebrew. It is more easy then it looks. Then your eyes will be opened and the Christian deception will stare you in the face. And yes, I do sympathize with the poor misguided Christians whom are being led astray by their clergy by means of twisted and corrupted Bible translations. That's the reason why I fulfill my duty of being a light unto the nations and uncovering the Christian deception.
"Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end" "There will be no end", future tense. And this too is WRONG. It is in the Hebrew present tense. I found only one translation which is correct here, and that is Young's Literal Translation.

Why all this stress on the tenses? Isaiah spoke about a king who was living in his days, and therefore JC is out. The king that Isaiah speaks about is Hezekiah, the son of Achaz who got from Isaiah the sign about the young woman (no, not the virgin) who was pregnant and gave birth to the son Immanuel.
The Talmud explains that under the rule of the God fearing Hezekiah the Jewish kingdom rose to great heights, and that's why he was entitled to those impressive titles.


Because of the fact that the name of the son is "Mighty God", (or "God is Mighty", both are possible translations) and "Eternals Father", the Christians deduce that the boy spoken about must have been God.
HOWEVER, a name is only that; a name. A name is not a description of the bearer of that name. An example: Buffalo Bill was not a buffalo. The indian chief Sitting Bull was not a bull.
Many times people in the Bible have in their name the word "God", or the name of God, but that doesn't mean that those people are God. For instance; in Exodus 6:23 is spoken about a man called "Elazar". That means "God is helper", or "Helping God". But that doesn't mean that that man was God.
Exodus 6:24; "Elkanah", that means "God acquired", or "acquiring God". II Samuel 22:19; "Elchanan"; "God is merciful", or "Merciful God". But these men were not God, just like the the child in Isaiah 9 wasn't God.


Apart from that, the Hebrew words "El gibor", in Christian Bibles translated with "Mighty God", can have a different meaning. "El" can mean "God", but it can also mean "judge", "leader", or "mighty man". In Exodus 4:16 God says to Moses that he will be of an elohiem for his brother Aharon. ("elohim" is the longer form of the word "el") This doesn't mean that Moses was a God for Aharon and Aharon started to worship his brother, it meant that Moses would be the leader of Aharon.
In Exodus 21:1-6 is spoken about a slave who after the normal period of servitude ended, doesn't want to leave his master. In that case the owner has to take him to court, where the slave will make a statement that he doesn't want to leave his master, and that he will serve his master until his death. The Hebrew text there says that his master must take him to the "elohim". There the NAS, ASV, ESV, NRSV, RSV, YLT, they all say that his master must take him "to God". However, his master doesn't take him for a ride to heaven, but takes him to the courthouse. Therefore the NIV, KJV, TNIV, and the NIRV, they all say that the master must take him to "the judges".

Even so in Isaiah 9 the word "El" does not necessarily mean "God". Therefore the text in Isaiah 9 is in no way a proof that the child spoken about was God.


And don't forget that you too cannot give a rational answer to the question: "How do you know that the Scriptures you believe in, are inspired by God?"

So also your believes and religion is just an accident of birth. Had you been born in Arabia, you would now have been a devout Muslim, because you cannot think for yourself, but just follow the majority.

And that is why you keep on following a false religion.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19
 

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Bs"d

As usual, you are mixed up again. Those are not the names of God, those are the names of the child, born in the days of Isaiah, about 2700 years ago:

As usual, you avoid what was posted. Your "light went out" in 70AD. Israel ceased to exist like Sodom and Gomorrah. Only in 1948 did a nation called "Israel" come into existence and the vast majority of Israelis are atheist and or extremely secular. As Ezekiel says: your bones are dried up, there is no spirit in you. You bang your head on a wall that was built by a Roman named Valerius Gratus in the 2nd century AD... you worship a pagan wall. You don't even know where your Temple stood.
God's name is I AM


:mock: you say this was fulfilled 2700 years ago:
Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David, and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and for evermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this.
 

Elia

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As usual, you avoid what was posted. Your "light went out" in 70AD. Israel ceased to exist like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Bs"d

No. All the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were wiped out. The Israelites were not wiped out, they only went into exile.

Only in 1948 did a nation called "Israel" come into existence and the vast majority of Israelis are atheist and or extremely secular.

Also not true. About half are traditional or religious. And the really orthodox, now a minority, because of their high birth rate, will most likely within 20 years take over the country, have a majority.

As Ezekiel says: your bones are dried up, there is no spirit in you. You bang your head on a wall that was built by a Roman named Valerius Gratus in the 2nd century AD... you worship a pagan wall. You don't even know where your Temple stood.
God's name is I AM

We don't worship a wall, we don't worship a dead carpenter, we only worship the one and only true God Y-H-W-H who is one.

:mock: you say this was fulfilled 2700 years ago: Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David, and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and for evermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this.

You are again put on the wrong foot by bad Christian translations.

The word translated as "for evermore" is "olam". And that does not necessarily mean "for evermore". The word is used when a slave must serve his master: "Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever."
Ex 21:6 KJV

The word here translated as "for ever" is also "olam", but the servant will serve him until his death, and no longer. So that word "olam" means here a life time, and not forever.

There are many more examples where "olam" does not mean "for ever", and Isaiah 9 is another example of that.

And now back to the subject of the discussion, the supposed divine inspiration of the NT:

And don't forget that you too cannot give a rational answer to the question: "How do you know that the Scriptures you believe in, are inspired by God?"

So also your believes and religion is just an accident of birth. Had you been born in Arabia, you would now have been a devout Muslim, because you cannot think for yourself, but just follow the majority.

And that is why you keep on following a false religion.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19
 

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The word here translated as "for ever" is also "olam", but the servant will serve him until his death, and no longer. So that word "olam" means here a life time, and not forever.

There are many more examples where "olam" does not mean "for ever", and Isaiah 9 is another example of that.
So this is yet another one of your "phony messiahs", like the one you claimed came in 408 BC (7X7 years), except this one in Isaiah came 2,700 years ago.
You have reduced your "yet future" imaginary messiah to little more than a puny man with political ambitions. :kookoo:

And now back to the subject of the discussion, the supposed divine inspiration of the NT:

And don't forget that you too cannot give a rational answer to the question: "How do you know that the Scriptures you believe in, are inspired by God?"

Easy, the ruach 'Elohim
We have enormous resources at our disposal as well...

God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Ecclesiastes 12:14
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 1 Corinthians 3:13
 

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How Many Israelis Read the Torah? You May Be Surprised

No less than 95% of Jews in Israel have a Tanakh in their home, with 68% of the total population revering it as a holy book.

How many purely Jewish Messianic Congregations are there in Israel? 350+ and growing exponentially.
You see, the ruach 'Elohim is quickly returning Israel to "first century conditions" as the Day approaches.
However, this time you will not be able to hunt-down and murder those Hebrews that believe in Yeshua Messiah.
 

Elia

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How many purely Jewish Messianic Congregations are there in Israel? 350+ and growing exponentially.
You see, the ruach 'Elohim is quickly returning Israel to "first century conditions" as the Day approaches.
However, this time you will not be able to hunt-down and murder those Hebrews that believe in Yeshua Messiah.

Bs"d

He was not the messiah. He didn't fulfil the messianic prophecies, and his claims that he was God are leading the multitudes into idolatry.

The only ones falling for the messianic lies are Russian Jews who don't know nothing about their religion, because in Russia it was forbidden to teach Judaism.

Once the facts are shown to them they'll be cured from their foolishness.

"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever."
Micah 4:5
 

Elia

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So this is yet another one of your "phony messiahs",

Bs"d

No, king Hezekia was a real messiah, unlike your carpenter who never was a king, and who never was anointed to be king, so he was not a messiah.

like the one you claimed came in 408 BC (7X7 years),

I don't claim one in 408 before.

except this one in Isaiah came 2,700 years ago.

From my Daniel 9 page:

Who was the messiah? In order to understand this we first have to understand what is a messiah. Messiah comes from the Hebrew word 'meshiach' which means 'anointed one' It was the custom to anoint kings with oil before they came to power. There were already many anointed kings in Jewish history. Read for instance I Samuel 9:27 to10:1; Here Saul is anointed by Samuel the prophet. And thereby he became a messiah, an anointed one, See Samuel 11:13 up to 12:3: Here in verse 3 king Saul is called G.ds anointed, in the Hebrew 'meshiach'. So also king Saul was a messiah. Look in I Samuel 16:12-13, here the prophet Samuel anoints David, the Hebrew verb for anointing is 'mashach', and he becomes an anointed one, as we can read in II Samuel 23:1; "David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed (in the Hebrew 'meshiach') of the G.d of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said; …"

I Kings 1:39; "And Zadok the priest took an horn of oil out of the tabernacle, and anointed (Hebrew verb 'mashach') Solomon. And they blew the trumpet, and all the people said; G.d save king Solomon." Also Solomon was an anointed one, or messiah: II Chronicles 6:42, here king Solomon prays: "O Lord turn not away the face of thine anointed, …" In the Hebrew: 'meshiach'.

So now we know what is a messiah: An anointed king. And now we can start to figure out who is the messiah from Daniel 9:25

For one thing; we know now who could not have been the messiah from Daniel 9: JC. He never was anointed as king by a priest and/or prophet, and he never was a king, in other words: He never was a messiah. Therefore he is disqualified to be the messiah of Daniel 9.

You have reduced your "yet future" imaginary messiah to little more than a puny man with political ambitions.

The messiah will be a man, not a puny man, but a mighty man, he will be a prophet, God will give him special powers, but he will still be 100% human, born from the normal union of man and woman, and not born from a virgin.

There is no text in the Tanach which says that the messiah will be God Himself.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19
 

Elia

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How many purely Jewish Messianic Congregations are there in Israel? 350+ and growing exponentially.
You see, the ruach 'Elohim is quickly returning Israel to "first century conditions" as the Day approaches.
However, this time you will not be able to hunt-down and murder those Hebrews that believe in Yeshua Messiah.

Bs"d

Your religion is a joke. It is based on nothing.

When I ask you for rational reasons why the NT is inspired by God, you cannot come up with anything.

Your religion is an accident of birth. If you would have been born in a Muslim country, you would now have been defending Mohammed and Allah.

That makes you religion totally worthless. It is build on nothing. It lacks a foundation.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19
 

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What we see here, is that, except for Intojoy, nobody can give any rational argument why they think that their holy books are inspired by God.

They say they "believe" in the NT. And when asked why they don't believe in the Quran, the silence is deafening.

So we can conclude that their religion is an accident of birth; they are born in a predominantly Christian country, therefore they are Christians.

If they would have been born in Arabia, they would have been Muslims.

Intojoy says:



And he has a good point there. Many great thinkers noticed that:

Over the past two hundred years thinkers have pondered the metaphysics of Jewish survival.

They appear to marvel at this phenomenon. For example, Leo Tolstoy in his “What is the Jew?” wrote: (9)

“What is the Jew? This is not as strange a question as it would first appear to be. Come let us contemplate what kind of unique creature is this whom all the rulers and all the nations of the world have disgraced and crushed and expelled and destroyed; persecuted, burned and drowned, and who, despite their anger and their fury, continues to live and flourish. What is this Jew, whom they have never succeeded in enticing with all the enticements in the world, whose oppressors and persecutors only suggested that he deny [and disown] his religion and cast aside the faithfulness of his ancestors?!

The Jew is the symbol of eternity. He is the one they were never able to destroy, neither
bloodbath nor afflictions, neither fire nor the sword succeeded in annihilating him. He is the one who for so long has guarded the prophetic message and transmitted it to all mankind. A people such as this can never disappear. The Jew is eternal. He is the embodiment of eternity.”

In his book “The Ancient World” Professor T.R. Glover similarly wrote: (10)

“No ancient people had a history stranger than the Jews..... The history of no ancient people
should be so valuable, if we could only recover it and understand it.... Stranger still, the ancient religion of the Jews survives, when all the religions of every ancient race of the pre*Christian world have disappeared. Again, it is strange that the living religions of the world all build on the religious ideas derived from the Jews..... This then is the problem offered by the Jews to the historian. The great matter is not “What happened?” but “Why did it happen?” Why does this race continue? Why does Judaism live? How did it really begin? Why did it come out so?”

Professor Nicholas Berdkilaev, of the Moscow Academy of Spiritual Culture, in his book “The
Meaning of History” commented thus: (11)

“The Jews have played an all*important role in history. They are pre*eminently a historical people and their destiny reflects indestructibility..... their destiny is to imbued with the metaphysical to be explained either in material or positive*historical terms. I remember how the materialist interpretation of history, when I attempted in my youth to verify it by applying to it the destinies of people, broke down in the case of the Jews, where destiny seemed absolutely inexplicable from the materialistic standpoint. And, indeed, according to the materialistic and positivist criterion, this people ought to have perished long ago. Its survival is a mysterious and wonderful phenomenon demonstrating that the life of this people is governed by a special predetermination, transcending the process of adaptation expounded by the materialistic interpretation of history. The survival of the Jews, their resistance to destruction, their endurance under absolute peculiar conditions and the fatefull role played by them in history, all these points point to the particular and mysterious foundations of their destiny.”

The eighteenth*century Talmudic scholar, Rabbi Jonathan Eibeschutz, commented: (12)

“Will the atheist not be embarrassed when he reflects on Jewish history? We, an exiled people, scattered sheep from antiquity, have endured brutal persecution over thousands of years. There is no nation or people as persued as we. Many and powerfull are those who aspired to totally destroy us, but they never prevailed. How will the wise philosopher respond? Is this extraordinary phenomenon truly by chance?”

Dr Isaac Breuer wrote: (13)

“The “People of the Book” among the nations is the most fantastic miracle of all, and the history of this people is literally one of miracles. And one who sees this ancient people today, after thousands of years among the nations of the world, when he reads the Scriptures and finds that they prophetically relate clearly and simply the ever*transpiring Jewish phenomenon, and does not fall on his face and exclaim: “God, the Lord of Israel, He is God”, then no other miracle will help him. For, in truth, this individual has no heart to understand, no eye to discern, and no ear to hear.”

The French author Jon DeBileda, during the latter part of the ninetheenth century, (i.e. before the Russian Revolution, nazi Germany, and the modern Jewish state) described the situation thusly:

(14)

“In essence, the Jewish People chuckle at all forms of anti*Semitism. Think all you want, and you will not be able to find one form of brutality or strategy that has not been used in warfare against the Jewish People. 'I cannot be defeated', says Judaism. All that you attempt to do to me today has been attempted 3,200 years ago in Egypt. Then tried the Babylonians and Persians. Afterward tried the Romans, and then others and others..... There is no question that the Jews will outlive us all. This is an eternal people..... They cannot be defeated, understand this! Every war with them is a vain waste of time and manpower. Conversely, it is wise to sign a mutual covenant with them. How trustworthy and profitable they are as allies. Look at their patriotism, their commercial benefit, and their ambition and their success in science, the arts, and politics. Be their friend and they will pay you back in friendship one*hundred*fold. This is an exalted and chosen people.”

A more modern*day example of the Jewish people survival mechanism was interestingly described in the secular Israeli newspaper “Maariv” (April 17, 1983) concerning the Jewish State's War of Independence in 1948: (15)

“Is this how things really happened? Just as they are told in the history books? And 650,000 Jews who escaped from the horrors of the Second World War and from the cruel struggle with the oppressive British – did they really build up this whole infantry on their own efforts? Six hundred and fifty thousand who created a nation*state from emptiness and desolation? And they stood in bitter warfare against the organized armies of five Arab countries? Five percent of the Jewish people, and not only did they strike a blow against every enemy that stood up against them, but absorbed hundreds of thousands of refugees from the remnants of European and Middle East Jewry. By all logic, and by all human reason, everything that happened in 1948 is in the category of the impossible. It was impossible with the limited arms that the Jews possessed, with the rudimentary international support they managed to gather, with the limited resources that were available to them, to do all that they did. To bring a system of public services in operation from nothing. To establish a military industry from its beginning. To sustain supplies and minimal services, and to run a war that had no clear delineated front or rear lines, no organized lines of defense, no organized reserves of ammunition, and no expert commanders to lead its battalions!”

(above quotes are from the book "The Anti-Jewish Phenomenon", by rabbi dr Allswang)

This is the sign that God has put in the Jewish people.

For more about the sign of God in the Jewish people, look HERE.


"Thus says Y-H-W-H: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”
Zech 8:23
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Your religion is a joke. It is based on nothing.

When I ask you for rational reasons why the NT is inspired by God, you cannot come up with anything.

Your religion is an accident of birth. If you would have been born in a Muslim country, you would now have been defending Mohammed and Allah.

That makes you religion totally worthless. It is build on nothing. It lacks a foundation.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19
So, um.

That was a little harsh.

I don't have to take much time to can the Quran. It is indeed a twisting of Abrahamic faith. It is self contradictory.

I was polite to you and will continue to be.

I support and believe in Israel. At no point have I called Judahism a joke.. I even acknowledge that Judaism is central to understanding Jesus.

But now I say, Ella, I cling to the King, not the hard work of His servants. I Love my Jewish family! I, however, Love God more.

And yet, the true teachings of Jesus have shown me the value of Respecting criticism and embracing those that defame Jesus.

I ask you Ella, what If you are wrong, and I am indeed right about Jesus?

What if the very Glory that was above the Ark, is the very Presence in my heart?

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He was not the messiah. He didn't fulfil the messianic prophecies, and his claims that he was God are leading the multitudes into idolatry.

Sorry to "burst your bubble", but a lot of observant Jews in Israel disagree with you. God is "turning up the heat" as The Day approaches.
Alas for the day! for The Day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come. - Joel 1:15

You spent decades murdering Jewish believers in Israel in the 1st century.
This time, you won't be allowed to just accuse and murder believers in Yeshua.
 

Elia

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So, um.

That was a little harsh.

Bs"d

Not really.

I don't have to take much time to can the Quran. It is indeed a twisting of Abrahamic faith. It is self contradictory.

So is the NT, but the Christians try to wiggle out of all problems, no matter how obvious they are.

I was polite to you and will continue to be.

Always a good thing.

I support and believe in Israel. At no point have I called Judahism a joke.. I even acknowledge that Judaism is central to understanding Jesus.

But now I say, Ella, I cling to the King, not the hard work of His servants. I Love my Jewish family! I, however, Love God more.

Deuteronomy 4:39 “Acknowledge and take to heart this day that Y-H-W-H is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.

And yet, the true teachings of Jesus have shown me the value of Respecting criticism and embracing those that defame Jesus.

I ask you Ella, what If you are wrong, and I am indeed right about Jesus?

What if the sky falls tomorrow and we're all dead?

That is about as likely as me being wrong on the NT.

And what if you are wrong on the NT? Then you are an idol worshipper. Running after the wrong god.

"Serve Y-H-W-H! And if it seems evil to you to serve Y-H-W-H, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.
But as for me and my house, we will serve Y-H-W-H!”

Joshua 24:14-15
 

Elia

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Sorry to "burst your bubble", but a lot of observant Jews in Israel disagree with you. God is "turning up the heat" as The Day approaches.


You spent decades murdering Jewish believers in Israel in the 1st century.
This time, you won't be allowed to just accuse and murder believers in Yeshua.

Bs"d

Your religion is a joke. It is based on nothing.

When I ask you for rational reasons why the NT is inspired by God, you cannot come up with anything.

Your religion is an accident of birth. If you would have been born in a Muslim country, you would now have been defending Mohammed and Allah.

That makes you religion totally worthless. It is build on nothing. It lacks a foundation.

God gave us our brain in order to use it, not in order to shut it down when it comes to religion.

It is very clear that in the vast majority of cases the choice of religion is an accident of birth, people adopting the religion of their parents and/or environment.

The greatest religion is Christianity with about 2 billion followers, but compared to the 7 billion humans on this planet it is still a small minority, less than a third of the whole population.

That means, that even when Christianity, the biggest religion, would be the right religion, which it obviously is not, then, when people just adopt the religion they were born in to, then the majority would be practising the wrong religion.

That means that just going with the flow and practising the religion of your parents and/or environment, is in most cases sure to lead a person astray.

That means that everybody has the obligation to approach the question "which religion is the right religion?" while using his or hers God given brain.

You cannot just hope that the religion of your fathers or your environment is the right one.

And therefore everybody is obligated to ask the question: "How do we know which scriptures are inspired by God?"

This is a necessary and essential question.

And people must be able to give a rational answer to this necessary and rational question.

This question is much more fundamental and much more important than the question: "Should I be a Catholic or a Protestant?"

Before considering "Should I be a Catholic or a Protestant?", people should ask: "Should I be a Christian at all?" Is the NT inspired by God?

If you think the NT is inspired by God, maybe the Quran is also inspired by God, and maybe you should be a Muslim. Or a Buddhist. Or whatever.

When somebody without searching for rational proof decides just to "believe" in JC, he or she is nothing more or less than somebody who decides to "believe" in Mohammed. Or in Joseph Smith. Or in David Koresh. Or in whoever.

And the chance that he or she is wrong, is much bigger than that he or she is right.

Therefore the question "How do we know which scriptures are inspired by God?" is the first, the most important, and the most fundamental question, that a believer has to ask himself.

And as we can see here, almost nobody can come up with some rational argument, as to why his or her holy books are inspired by God.

They debate endlessly about small details of the Christian faith, but the fundamental question they cannot answer.

So they are as blind men stumbling around in the darkness.

And as long as they don't seriously start investigating the question: "How do we know which scriptures are inspired by God?" that situation will not change.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19
 

beameup

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Bs"d

Your religion is a joke. It is based on nothing.

If it's "such a joke", the why were you murdering all Jews, that you could hunt-down, who believed in Yeshua, during the 1st century.
Jewish Messianic Congregations are fast-growing in Israel; what are you going to do today, hunt them down again?

All you have to base your "faith" on is your Talmud, which is the rabbinical interpretation of the Tanakh. You consider the Talmud to be your "holy book" written by "holy rabbis".
 

Elia

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If it's "such a joke", the why were you murdering all Jews, that you could hunt-down, who believed in Yeshua, during the 1st century.
Jewish Messianic Congregations are fast-growing in Israel; what are you going to do today, hunt them down again?

All you have to base your "faith" on is your Talmud, which is the rabbinical interpretation of the Tanakh. You consider the Talmud to be your "holy book" written by "holy rabbis".

Bs"d

Your religion is a joke. It is based on nothing.

When I ask you for rational reasons why the NT is inspired by God, you cannot come up with anything.

Your religion is an accident of birth. If you would have been born in a Muslim country, you would now have been defending Mohammed and Allah.

That makes you religion totally worthless. It is build on nothing. It lacks a foundation.

"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19
 

beameup

New member
Bs"d

That makes you religion totally worthless. It is build on nothing. It lacks a foundation.

It's nice to see you finally admit that your religion is totally worthless. Your Judaism is worthless because the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. Your "exalted rabbis" Talmudic "religion" is based on mythology and has little to do with Moses - you cannot properly serve God according to Torah.
 

Jacob

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Any Christian that doesn't work on the Shabbat? No, they threw the Shabbat commandment overboard, and replaced it with resting on Sunday, something that is NOWHERE to be found in Scripture.

Anybody wants to say that Christians observe the 10 commandments??
I am a Christian and I observe Shabbat even the Ten Commandments.
 
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