ECT He shall save His people from their sins

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The angel who appeared to Joseph said concerning Jesus, "...thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins," Matthew 1:21. Jesus never made a mistake of converting a soul and leaving it under the power of sin. Those who are converted cease to wilfully sin, ie to break God's commandments since sin is defined as "the transgression of the law" - 1John 3:4. The children of God are not saved by their obedience but rather the obedience is the fruit of their new life. Our fruits are our words and deeds.
 
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He justifies them from the debt of sin, and that is a huge motivation to shed the interests of sin, but people will still sin.

This passage and its quote show that Matthew knew early that the mission of Christ was this one Gospel, and that while recollecting what to write, he knew that all of them knew the death of Christ was going to do just that early in the ministry. It is set ups like this which bear out the truly human dilemma which we now call 'denial'. We find it in the middle of the synoptics: after confessing that Jesus is the Christ, Peter tries to 'control' Christ and tell him he can't die. Even though he knew all along, unlike the delusion of 2P2P which wants there to be another gospel in (at least) the first half of the synoptics (it doesn't work out in John at all).
 
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Interplanner said:
This passage and its quote show that Matthew knew early that the mission of Christ was this one Gospel, and that while recollecting what to write, he knew that all of them knew the death of Christ was going to do just that early in the ministry. It is set ups like this which bear out the truly human dilemma which we now call 'denial'. We find it in the middle of the synoptics: after confessing that Jesus is the Christ, Peter tries to 'control' Christ and tell him he can't die. Even though he knew all along, unlike the delusion of 2P2P which wants there to be another gospel in (at least) the first half of the synoptics (it doesn't work out in John at all).
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Made up.
 
beloved57

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ThreeAngels said:
The angel who appeared to Joseph said concerning Jesus, "...thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins," Matthew 1:21. Jesus never made a mistake of converting a soul and leaving it under the power of sin. Those who are converted cease to wilfully sin, ie to break God's commandments since sin is defined as "the transgression of the law" - 1John 3:4. The children of God are not saved by their obedience but rather the obedience is the fruit of their new life. Our fruits are our words and deeds.
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Whose His People that He shall save from their sins ?
 
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beloved57 said:
Whose His People that He shall save from their sins ?
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More distinctly, what sins was this Jesus going to save said people from, that He was to be called JESUS; to begin with?

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
 
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ThreeAngels said:
The angel who appeared to Joseph said concerning Jesus, "...thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins," Matthew 1:21. Jesus never made a mistake of converting a soul and leaving it under the power of sin. Those who are converted cease to wilfully sin, ie to break God's commandments since sin is defined as "the transgression of the law" - 1John 3:4. The children of God are not saved by their obedience but rather the obedience is the fruit of their new life. Our fruits are our words and deeds.
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Nobody obeys
 
ThreeAngels

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patrick jane said:
Nobody obeys
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All who are truly God's children obey, as all the redeemed have ever done. The apostle says, "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him..." 1Jn 3:24. Satan's argument is precisely this, that it is impossible to obey God's commandments and that is why man fell. Since the fall of Adam to our time God has ever had His witnesses on the earth who obey Him and thus prove that, "... the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good," Romans 7:12.
 
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ThreeAngels said:
The apostle says, "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him..." 1Jn 3:24.
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And another apostle - our apostle - said the believer is dead to the Law.

Is it possible that either John's use of "commandments" means something other than the Law . . . or . . . it does mean the Law but he was speaking to an audience that would be specially enabled to abide in the Law, while Paul was talking to another group that was dead to it?
 
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musterion said:
And another apostle - our apostle - said the believer is dead to the Law.

Is it possible that either John's use of "commandments" means something other than the Law . . . or . . . it does mean the Law but he was speaking to an audience that would be specially enabled to abide in the Law, while Paul was talking to another group that was dead to it?
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John has an advanced or 'new' sense to the word 'commandments' in the letters.
 
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musterion said:
And another apostle - our apostle - said the believer is dead to the Law.

Is it possible that either John's use of "commandments" means something other than the Law . . . or . . . it does mean the Law but he was speaking to an audience that would be specially enabled to abide in the Law, while Paul was talking to another group that was dead to it?
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Why not ask John, bro?

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
 
ThreeAngels

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musterion said:
And another apostle - our apostle - said the believer is dead to the Law.

Is it possible that either John's use of "commandments" means something other than the Law . . . or . . . it does mean the Law but he was speaking to an audience that would be specially enabled to abide in the Law, while Paul was talking to another group that was dead to it?
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The requirements of God concerning man since the time of Adam are ever the same, namely He requires perfect obedience. The grace of God has not been given to one portion of mankind to the exclusion of the rest. Paul says, "... the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men," Titus 2:11. The same grace that enabled Christ to render perfect service is available to us.

All the apostles are ours. Paul says, "For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas..." 1Corinthians 3:21,22. The inspired writers all have a message to us from God.
We dare not pick a part of the Bible as essential and ignore another as nonessential. The inspired Paul says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works," 2Tim 3:16,17
 
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