Guns and Ploice an interesting perspective

[This Charming Manc]

warning article includes British self congratulatory smugness.

However if you can get past that, the article does gives insights into realities of living in a low gun culture.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/armed-police-in-england-and-wales-only-fired-their-weapons-twice-during-14864-operations-in-201314-10378829.html

 

[Nazaroo]

I can't find Ploice in my dictionary: can you explain?

 

[This Charming Manc]

typo get over it ....

I can't find Ploice in my dictionary: can you explain?

 

[Stripe]

Poms are pansies.

 

[musterion]

Ploice is a the pronunciation of place by a certain British dialect (not sure which):

"'ere, you kids! Put that moggy back innit's rightful ploice or I'll cawl the peelers on ya, I will!"

 

[Stripe]

Where I come from, it's perfectly spelled for how it's pronounced.

 

[musterion]

Where I come from, it's perfectly spelled for how it's pronounced.

Same here but the Empire has been on the decline for some time.

 

[Stripe]

Time to Strike Back?

 

[Granite]

The difference is of course staggering.

America has a gun culture unlike anything else in the world. Unfortunately, I don't see that changing any time soon. Is it possible we'd ever get to the point where gun violence is remarkable and the police rarely have to use force? Possible, sure. But never in my lifetime. A century from now--maybe.

 

[bybee]

The difference is of course staggering.

America has a gun culture unlike anything else in the world. Unfortunately, I don't see that changing any time soon. Is it possible we'd ever get to the point where gun violence is remarkable and the police rarely have to use force? Possible, sure. But never in my lifetime. A century from now--maybe.

Does such a culture exist anywhere?

 

[Granite]

Does such a culture exist anywhere?

Uh...yeah. Check the article out, for one.

 

[bybee]

Uh...yeah. Check the article out, for one.

Well, I have not walked a mile in their moccasins so am somewhat skeptical. Violence is inherent in human nature. It finds a way to express itself regardless of restrictions.
A man's hands are potential weapons

 

[Stripe]

Anyone who thinks guns are the problem is a moron.

 

[Granite]

Well, I have not walked a mile in their moccasins so am somewhat skeptical. Violence is inherent in human nature. It finds a way to express itself regardless of restrictions.
A man's hands are potential weapons

Well the facts speak for themselves. It is possible to have a civilized, modern society that's not awash with police brutality or firearms. I just doubt it's possible here. The love, fascination, and obsession with firearms is simply too deeply ingrained.

 

[bybee]

Well the facts speak for themselves. It is possible to have a civilized, modern society that's not awash with police brutality or firearms. I just doubt it's possible here. The love, fascination, and obsession with firearms is simply too deeply ingrained.

I know that you are aware that the history of this country contains an ever expanding frontier wherein each man, each family, each small band of folks had to tend to their own safety. They had to protect themselves from the bad guys as well as provide their own food and necessities.
So, yes, that independence which was contained within necessity is part of the American ethos.

 

[Nazaroo]

I know that you are aware that the history of this country contains an ever expanding frontier wherein each man, each family, each small band of folks had to tend to their own safety. They had to protect themselves from the bad guys as well as provide their own food and necessities.
So, yes, that independence which was contained within necessity is part of the American ethos.

Of course, Canada was a very similar settler demographic,
and also began as a frontier country...

Murder Rate: DEFINITION: Homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants in various countries.

Jamaica: 60 murders / 100,000
USA: 5 murders / 100,000
CAN: 2 murders / 100,000

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Murder-rate

Well the facts speak for themselves. It is possible to have a civilized, modern society that's not awash with police brutality or firearms. I just doubt it's possible here. The love, fascination, and obsession with firearms is simply too deeply ingrained.

I'm not sure, but this might be related to the difference
for instance between Canada and the USA:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJsiAz9qCmM


When Canadians are essentially "anonymous members of the public",
they seem to self-identify differently than Americans.

Its as if Americans feel they must "uphold" or enforce the
Protestant Work Ethic of the previous century,
even when America is now a "Post-Christian"/ Anti-Christian culture.

 

[meshak]

Do you know that Japanese police don't carry guns like American police?

 

[meshak]

USA is supposed to be Christian country and Japanese are pagan.

USA is much dangerous than some pagan nation.

so weird.

 

[Nazaroo]

The USA doesn't have the WORST Rape statistics, but its rating is abysmal
in comparison to other Western and civilized European countries.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

 

[This Charming Manc]

Is or was?

I can see high gun ownership was highly important in the 1800's but is it needed now?

Most Americans don't live on the frontier but in highly populated cities, the needs of current US culture are much more similar to current European culture than the frontier culture of the 1800's perhaps the times come when you can look to a society with laws that reflect that?

I know that you are aware that the history of this country contains an ever expanding frontier wherein each man, each family, each small band of folks had to tend to their own safety. They had to protect themselves from the bad guys as well as provide their own food and necessities.
So, yes, that independence which was contained within necessity is part of the American ethos.