That's because you have NO discernment!
Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !
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That's because you have NO discernment!
beloved57
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Yes! Hold that thought, and don't try and spread it!
A lot of people hears the message. Many has no clue what the message meant no matter if the best of the best tried to explain the gospel to those that are lost. Those that did understand the gospel were effectively call as predicted exactly as the Lord planned. Those that didn't understand the gospel were left in the path they were born with.
Unbelievers can't be convinced by man or the bible. Those that are under the general call could follow patism but it ony last for a few minutes if any at all.
beloved57
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man deifying himself over God !
man deifying himself over God !
The antichrist crowd believe and teach that the will of man does frustrate and make of non effect the Supreme Will of God, making men to overcome God, which of course is Blasphemy, and this is seen in their false teaching of 1 Tim 2:4, where they teach that God's will or purpose, determination, wish, resolve that all men be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth, that this desire of God's Will shall not be realized, that some of the all men He desired this for, that their being saved and coming into the Knowledge of the Truth shall not happen for them, because mans freewill prevented it, making mans freewill much greater than God's determining Sovereign will, purpose or desire !
Now some may argue that the word will here is thelo is not God's determining will or purpose,but they do lie, because it is, that is one of its meanings :
I will, wish, desire, am willing, intend, design.
to be resolved or determined, to purpose: absolutely !
Paul used the same word here Acts 18:21
21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.
This gives us to know that Paul believed in this Will of God to be supreme and determining whether or not he should return again !
This very word gives us to know that Paul believed God's Will [ thelo] to be Sovereign over his Life and will, again the same word in 1 Tim 2:4 !
Also its the word James used here James 4:13-16
13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will [ theló]
, we shall live, and do this, or that.
16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
Now look at particular Vs 15 The word will here is the same used by Paul in 1 Tim 2:4 and James also is speaking of God's Sovereign will of determination being supreme over the will of men, that cancels out mans freewill making any decisions that thwarts God's Will of desire which is determinate; and as James concludes, to think otherwise is boasting and evil James 4:15-16
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
This is why all those who erroneously teach that all men without exception is meant in 1 Tim 2:4, and yet knowing that it shall not come to pass that way, they are guilty of exalting mans will over the determinate will of God, and such is evil and its boasting, and its sin and antichrist to do so, all such who teach such and believe such, their sin and boasting is exposed at this very moment before God !
man deifying himself over God !
The antichrist crowd believe and teach that the will of man does frustrate and make of non effect the Supreme Will of God, making men to overcome God, which of course is Blasphemy, and this is seen in their false teaching of 1 Tim 2:4, where they teach that God's will or purpose, determination, wish, resolve that all men be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth, that this desire of God's Will shall not be realized, that some of the all men He desired this for, that their being saved and coming into the Knowledge of the Truth shall not happen for them, because mans freewill prevented it, making mans freewill much greater than God's determining Sovereign will, purpose or desire !
Now some may argue that the word will here is thelo is not God's determining will or purpose,but they do lie, because it is, that is one of its meanings :
I will, wish, desire, am willing, intend, design.
to be resolved or determined, to purpose: absolutely !
Paul used the same word here Acts 18:21
21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.
This gives us to know that Paul believed in this Will of God to be supreme and determining whether or not he should return again !
This very word gives us to know that Paul believed God's Will [ thelo] to be Sovereign over his Life and will, again the same word in 1 Tim 2:4 !
Also its the word James used here James 4:13-16
13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will [ theló]
, we shall live, and do this, or that.
16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
Now look at particular Vs 15 The word will here is the same used by Paul in 1 Tim 2:4 and James also is speaking of God's Sovereign will of determination being supreme over the will of men, that cancels out mans freewill making any decisions that thwarts God's Will of desire which is determinate; and as James concludes, to think otherwise is boasting and evil James 4:15-16
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
This is why all those who erroneously teach that all men without exception is meant in 1 Tim 2:4, and yet knowing that it shall not come to pass that way, they are guilty of exalting mans will over the determinate will of God, and such is evil and its boasting, and its sin and antichrist to do so, all such who teach such and believe such, their sin and boasting is exposed at this very moment before God !
Nanja
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Freewill religion does boast in the flesh: It's man's prideful attempt in determining his own eternal destiny,
which Sovereign God has already completely finished, according to His Perfect Will, before the
world began (2 Tim. 1:9 KJV); just as satan exalts himself above God (2 Thes. 2:4 KJV).
And so it serves as a testimony that they have been blinded to the Word of Truth (2 Cor. 4:4 KJV),
and remain under God's wrath (Rom. 1:18 KJV).
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So says you!
beloved57
Well-known member
Is God the author of mans sin ?
Is God the author of mans sin ?
Is God the author of mans sin ? By all means YES, Adam brought sin into the world by only carrying out God's Supreme Sovereign invincible will of decree and purpose, simply because nothing can happen which His determinate counsel did not effect !
The will of man and all other creatures is always 110% of the time subject to God's Will, and any other creature's will does nothing more than effect the Sovereign determinate Will and good pleasure, for it is written here Eph 1:11
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
This "counsel of His Own Will that worketh all things" began here Gen 1:1 onward to Rev 22:21; All creatures are subject to the will of Him who does what He pleases with the wills of men Ps 115:3
3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
The word here done is the heb verb asah and means:
I.to do, fashion, accomplish, make
A.
(Qal)
i.
to do, work, make, produce
a.
to do
b.
to work
c.
to deal (with)
d.
to act, act with effect, effect
The word pleased is the heb verb chaphets :
I.to delight in, take pleasure in, desire, be pleased with
God has Effected whatsoever He desired, or was pleased to do, He has produced whatsover He desired or wanted.
Job teaches the same thing here Job 23:13
But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
Only True God given Faith acknowledges this Supremacy of God's Will over all things !
Dan 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Most people reject this particular of God and say that God does according to mans freewill !
However Dan 4:35 began with Adam, even lucifer and extends to every single human being to ever have been in existence upon this earth.
Every single event that hath ever came to pass, doeth so by virtue of God's Sovereign Will which is the First and only Primary cause of ALL THINGS which exist, Hence True Worshippers acknowledge Him Thusly Rev 4:11
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Ps 135:6
6 Whatsoever the Lord pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.
Without God's Supreme Will of First Cause, nothing exists, has being, or can act !
One can give a million reasons why lucifer , adam or who and whatever is the cause of sin, even the sin nature James 1:13, none of that exists or acts without God's Supreme will of First cause according to His Eternal Purpose.
Now understand this, people who do not acknowledge God as the First and Primary cause of sin and death in this world according to His Purpose, they are nothing more than proud ignorant atheist and idolators at heart !
Is God the author of mans sin ?
Is God the author of mans sin ? By all means YES, Adam brought sin into the world by only carrying out God's Supreme Sovereign invincible will of decree and purpose, simply because nothing can happen which His determinate counsel did not effect !
The will of man and all other creatures is always 110% of the time subject to God's Will, and any other creature's will does nothing more than effect the Sovereign determinate Will and good pleasure, for it is written here Eph 1:11
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
This "counsel of His Own Will that worketh all things" began here Gen 1:1 onward to Rev 22:21; All creatures are subject to the will of Him who does what He pleases with the wills of men Ps 115:3
3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
The word here done is the heb verb asah and means:
I.to do, fashion, accomplish, make
A.
(Qal)
i.
to do, work, make, produce
a.
to do
b.
to work
c.
to deal (with)
d.
to act, act with effect, effect
The word pleased is the heb verb chaphets :
I.to delight in, take pleasure in, desire, be pleased with
God has Effected whatsoever He desired, or was pleased to do, He has produced whatsover He desired or wanted.
Job teaches the same thing here Job 23:13
But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
Only True God given Faith acknowledges this Supremacy of God's Will over all things !
Dan 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Most people reject this particular of God and say that God does according to mans freewill !
However Dan 4:35 began with Adam, even lucifer and extends to every single human being to ever have been in existence upon this earth.
Every single event that hath ever came to pass, doeth so by virtue of God's Sovereign Will which is the First and only Primary cause of ALL THINGS which exist, Hence True Worshippers acknowledge Him Thusly Rev 4:11
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Ps 135:6
6 Whatsoever the Lord pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.
Without God's Supreme Will of First Cause, nothing exists, has being, or can act !
One can give a million reasons why lucifer , adam or who and whatever is the cause of sin, even the sin nature James 1:13, none of that exists or acts without God's Supreme will of First cause according to His Eternal Purpose.
Now understand this, people who do not acknowledge God as the First and Primary cause of sin and death in this world according to His Purpose, they are nothing more than proud ignorant atheist and idolators at heart !
Nanja
Well-known member
I completely concur!
Sovereign God created ALL things, including sin.
Col. 1:16-17 KJV For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:
And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
Sin is a dominion.
Rom. 6:14 KJV For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
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beloved57
Well-known member
Amen !
beloved57
Well-known member
You see how that word for will in 1 Tim 2:4 is the same word for will in James 4:15 ?
It shows that God's Will is determinative !
An atheist that hears the preaching from the pulpit and still remains an atheist is an atheist.
But he heard and didn't get saved.
heir
TOL Subscriber
Rather, he heard and believed not.
2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Nanja
Well-known member
TY for asking ☺, yes, I do (thelō: to be resolved or determined, to purpose).
What God's Will has determined, it's a done deal; unalterable.
beloved
Yes, and they do the same with John 3:16 KJV, teaching that Christ died for all mankind,
though knowing from other scriptures that God has determined to save only those whom
He has chosen and elected to salvation before the world began (Eph. 1:4-5 KJV); that only
a remnant of the whole human race (Rom. 11:5 KJV) will be saved: His Sheep (John 10:11; 10:15 KJV).
Christ died to make payment for the sins of every Son of His
which He loved and determined to save (Sheep: Mat. 25:34 KJV).
The rest He did not love, and they will always remain under
God's wrath for their sins: the goats (Mat. 25:41 KJV).
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beloved57
Well-known member
Amen !
beloved57
Well-known member
Sacred sinners !
Sacred sinners !
Matt 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
When the scripture declares that Christ's coming was to save sinners 1 Tim 1:15
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners [Matt 1:21]; of whom I am chief.
It is meant by that, sinners that are sacred and Holy in God's Sight and Estimation why else would God send His Son to die for them and in their place ?
All the Sinners that Christ came too seek and to save, are already viewed by God thusly Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Thats How He views them e Loves,Holy and without blame before Him in Love !
Thats why Christ must die for them, for so are they in the Heart of God, objects of His Mercy from Everlasting Ps 103 :17
17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
These are also Vessels of Mercy Rom 9:23
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
They are the Elect of God Rom 8:33, and as Such Holy and Beloeved Col 3:12
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
The Elect of God have always been Beloeved and Holy in His sight, and not just when they become believers, that is why they become believers, and in fact, they are no more Holy and Beloved in God's sight when they are converted and became believers, as when they were enemies of His Rom 5:10 !
Sacred sinners !
Matt 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
When the scripture declares that Christ's coming was to save sinners 1 Tim 1:15
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners [Matt 1:21]; of whom I am chief.
It is meant by that, sinners that are sacred and Holy in God's Sight and Estimation why else would God send His Son to die for them and in their place ?
All the Sinners that Christ came too seek and to save, are already viewed by God thusly Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Thats How He views them e Loves,Holy and without blame before Him in Love !
Thats why Christ must die for them, for so are they in the Heart of God, objects of His Mercy from Everlasting Ps 103 :17
17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
These are also Vessels of Mercy Rom 9:23
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
They are the Elect of God Rom 8:33, and as Such Holy and Beloeved Col 3:12
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
The Elect of God have always been Beloeved and Holy in His sight, and not just when they become believers, that is why they become believers, and in fact, they are no more Holy and Beloved in God's sight when they are converted and became believers, as when they were enemies of His Rom 5:10 !
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beloved57
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by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight
by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight
Rom 3:20
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be "declared Righteous " in His Sight !
Thats what the word Justified means, "to be declared Righteous" its the same word used in Rom 5:19 where Paul tells us how many shalll be made Righteous or Just !
Now the statement in Rom 3:20 is in light of what has been declared in Rom 3:10-20
This portion describes the depravity and pollution of us all in the flesh, and so nothing that the flesh does causes God to Justify a person or to declare them righteous, no not by the deeds of the law or works of the law !
The word for law here is very general in that it is without the definite article in the original, so even though Paul may have in mind the mosaic law, it is not in any wise limited to that, but does include all works, or acts of obedience in the flesh to commands of God !
Now understand this, many deny regeneration before faith and or gospel obedience, therefore making it by default, that any gospel obedience they fell they have rendered, faith and or repentance, resulting in Justification before God, then they have just done what this scripture denies that can be done by the flesh, and that is to be justified by the deeds of the law while in the flesh; because if we were not born again already when doing any type of obedience to a command of God Acts 17:30, then that obedience was performed while in the flesh, and that cannot be denied, for the Gospel command either comes to us while in the flesh or in the Spirit after New Birth, and if not Born Again and we call our self obeying the Gospel Command of Repentance toward God Acts 20:21 resulting in Our Justification of life before Him, then we are claiming Justification before God's sight by the deeds of the law and while in the flesh, no escaping that conclusion, and so we will see you at the Judgment !
by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight
Rom 3:20
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be "declared Righteous " in His Sight !
Thats what the word Justified means, "to be declared Righteous" its the same word used in Rom 5:19 where Paul tells us how many shalll be made Righteous or Just !
Now the statement in Rom 3:20 is in light of what has been declared in Rom 3:10-20
This portion describes the depravity and pollution of us all in the flesh, and so nothing that the flesh does causes God to Justify a person or to declare them righteous, no not by the deeds of the law or works of the law !
The word for law here is very general in that it is without the definite article in the original, so even though Paul may have in mind the mosaic law, it is not in any wise limited to that, but does include all works, or acts of obedience in the flesh to commands of God !
Now understand this, many deny regeneration before faith and or gospel obedience, therefore making it by default, that any gospel obedience they fell they have rendered, faith and or repentance, resulting in Justification before God, then they have just done what this scripture denies that can be done by the flesh, and that is to be justified by the deeds of the law while in the flesh; because if we were not born again already when doing any type of obedience to a command of God Acts 17:30, then that obedience was performed while in the flesh, and that cannot be denied, for the Gospel command either comes to us while in the flesh or in the Spirit after New Birth, and if not Born Again and we call our self obeying the Gospel Command of Repentance toward God Acts 20:21 resulting in Our Justification of life before Him, then we are claiming Justification before God's sight by the deeds of the law and while in the flesh, no escaping that conclusion, and so we will see you at the Judgment !
NO one believed, so God steps in and thought of elects and then elects were born on Earth. Notice the order. God thinks of an Elect and later the elect is born. When God thinks, God commands. When God commands, God wills. God wills elects.
Free will isn't involved. Commands ain't free will.