ECT Forgiving and Forgiveness

heir

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Answer: Yes and Yes.
more testimony from a believe notter (2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV) as you can't lose salvation (Romans 8:38-39 KJV, Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV) anymore than you can earn it (Romans 4:4-5 KJV, Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV, Titus 3:5 KJV).
 

Tambora

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Jude 1:4

For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Completely different Greek word, moron.
 

God's Truth

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Clearly you don't listen any better than your sister, God's UNtruth.

You just cannot stop talking about me.

Heir did an excellent job explaining what Paul was saying in the verse you allude to. You have an unteachable spirit and you prove it over and over again. The problem all you pharisee types have is thinking you are able to teach something you do not possess.

The Pharisees did not repent and get baptized, and you do not believe we have to repent and get baptized.

The Pharisees did not think Jesus' words were to them; and you do not think Jesus' words are to you.

Jesus said the Pharisees do not obey; and you say we do not have to obey.

Who is like the Pharisees?

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)

Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Without the Holy Spirit opening your eyes to what a verse is saying, you are left to your own human reasoning. And that's why you keep speaking such nonsense and quoting verses that do not show what you'd like them to.

Our Lord Jesus Christ did what you can never do. And all your righteousness is as filthy rags. So, boast away about how you obey and then wave you pride flag on high. We see it's a filthy rag. ;)

It is never ever wrong in any way to obey God. God does not tell us our righteous acts are as filthy rags when we do what He says.
God was speaking to the Jews WHO WOULD NOT STOP SINNING. For instance, in the old law, the Jews would sin, then they had to give a sin offering as a righteous act, they had to give sin offerings just to worship God. God did not like it that they would sin then give a sin offering and not really be sorry for their sins.

Your false teachers taught you wrong about the filthy rags scripture.

Your righteous act of FAITH in Jesus is a filthy rag if you do not OBEY HIM.
 

glorydaz

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I might add ....

Galatians 3 KJV
(21) Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

I might add....


εκ νομου= out of law......no definite article....meaning from any law.



For all the morons in our lives. (I see one of them is back already) Rats (akbars)!!!!!!
 

God's Truth

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Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

The works no one has to do to make themselves clean, justified, and righteous are the ceremonial works.
 

steko

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The works no one has to do to make themselves clean, justified, and righteous are the ceremonial works.

Gentiles were never given the works of the Mosaic law.

The one who is imputed righteousness by faith alone is justified/declared righteous in GOD's sight apart from/choris the works of any law.

The LORD Jesus paid it all. One can add nothing to His work on our behalf.

The flesh covets to steal the glory.
 

God's Truth

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Gentiles were never given the works of the Mosaic law.

Of course, they were not, but they could have been. The Gentiles were without God because they did not obey.

Ephesians 2:12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

The one who is imputed righteousness by faith alone is justified/declared righteous in GOD's sight apart from/choris the works of any law.

Our faith alone in Jesus' blood to clean us without having to do these works:

The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.

The LORD Jesus paid it all. One can add nothing to His work on our behalf.

The flesh covets to steal the glory.

It is never ever shameful or sinful in anyway to obey Jesus.
 

heir

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The Gentiles were without God because they did not obey.
Once again, the serpent shows his ugly head. That's not what saith the scripture.

Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
 

God's Truth

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Once again, the serpent shows his ugly head. That's not what saith the scripture.

Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Paul says they were called the UNCIRCUMCISION. Those who were circumcised were those who obeyed the ceremonial laws.

Those who obeyed the ceremonial laws cleaned themselves, just so they could go to the temple to worship God.

The Gentiles did not convert, and they were called unclean.
 

Danoh

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Of course, they were not, but they could have been. The Gentiles were without God because they did not obey.

Ephesians 2:12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

Our faith alone in Jesus' blood to clean us without having to do these works:

The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.

It is never ever shameful or sinful in anyway to obey Jesus.

There you go with your 7th Day Adventist distortion of the Law into compartments you, as they, break up the Law into, so you can choose your notions of the Moral aspects of the Law in your profound ignorance of it all.

I won't say you are a deceiver. No.

Even though the result of your ignorance in this issue, is the same.

Yours is simply the fact that you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

Not a clue.

In this, you have surpassed the Nirvana of the ignorance that is your bliss like no one else on here, but for your twin; what's their name.

Sheesh! Get a clue already!

The Law was one whole package; not some child's puzzle for you to lose some pieces of "because this fits better this way; oh how I love Jesus!"

The Laws against usury, for example - what "cleansing ritual" is that you fool?

Just look at all that the Law was - just look at how that much of it was far more that the cleansing rituals your ignorance turns it into:

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

Circumcision a ritual by which one entered in to Covenant to do the whole law - Galatians 5:

3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

In this, I call the testimony of all 613 Laws in light of passages Galatians 3, as a witness against your heresy in your ignorance!

The Law was a package deal you heretic!

James 1:

10. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
 
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