Dispensationalism (D'ism?) Any one willing to post a definition? Please do so.

[oatmeal]

Someone said, "that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

"Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation." (2 Corinthians 6:2)

Are you thinking the day of salvation just lasted 12 or 24 hours?

So are you going to answer the question?

What six days of salvation?

 

[oatmeal]

Dispensation means administration.

How long has God been administering salvation?

I know, I know, you believe salvation began with Paul, right?

"Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them." (Hebrews 11:16)

"For them" refers to whom?

Never mind, some of the persons named lived years before Paul.

You do not know what I believe,

even as you guess about what I believe, you likewise guess about scripture.

What six days of salvation?

 

[oatmeal]

Was Jesus the only person who obeyed the Father?

Who was the power behind Peter?

"so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them." (Acts 5:15)

Why do you ask?

Don't you know?

What does your line of questioning have to do with dispensationalism?

or as I was taught, the administrations

Your line of questions has nothing to do with the various administrations God has initiated so far and will yet initiate.

If you wish to continue asking irrelevant questions, why don't you start your own thread?

 

[Interplanner]

That God initiated various policies and laws at different times to serve His purposes is self evident.

But the most vital insight of Scripture about that is that there used to be shadow or only a copy and now is the reality in Christ. This is found in Hebrews a lot and once in Colossians. There is something similar in Galatians where there was a tutor or governess of the child, and now there is adulthood. We are no longer slaves but sons with rights and inheritance.

 

[jamie]

What six days of salvation?

The six days of human history.

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son" (Hebrews 1:1-2)

 

[jamie]

Your line of questions has nothing to do with the various administrations God has initiated so far and will yet initiate.

There has only been one administration for salvation by the one Administrator of salvation.

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

 

[oatmeal]

There has only been one administration for salvation by the one Administrator of salvation.

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

I am not talking about names, I am talking about administrations.

 

[oatmeal]

But the most vital insight of Scripture about that is that there used to be shadow or only a copy and now is the reality in Christ. This is found in Hebrews a lot and once in Colossians. There is something similar in Galatians where there was a tutor or governess of the child, and now there is adulthood. We are no longer slaves but sons with rights and inheritance.

Yes, that definitely indicates a change in administration, a change in law and policy because of what God wrought in Christ Jesus.

 

[oatmeal]

The six days of human history.

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son" (Hebrews 1:1-2)

Your six day guess remains a guess.

Evidently, you have no scripture to support your guess.

 

[northwye]

Speaking of changes God made in his "administration" or "dispensations" the difference between Leviticus 12: 3 - and also Genesis 17: 11 - and Deuteronomy 10: 16, Deuteronomy 30: 6, Jeremiah 4: 4, and especially Romans 2: 28-29 is one change as part of a remaking or larger change. It is the change God made from that which is physical and literal to that which is spiritual. Interestingly , he made this remaking or big change, from the physical to the spiritual at the same time he began to bring in non-Jews to himself.

"And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised." Leviticus 12: 3

Leviticus 12: 3 is part of that which is physical and literal.

"Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked." Deuteronomy 10: 16

"And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live." Deuteronomy 30: 6

"Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings." Jeremiah 4: 4

Then in Romans 2: 28-29 Paul says "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

Deuteronomy 10: 16, Deuteronomy 30: 6, Jeremiah 4: 4 and Romans 2: 28-29 are part of that which is spiritual after the remaking in Christ and by Christ.

Literal circumcision was just a shadow, as in Colossians 2: 16-17, of that substance which was to come when Jesus Christ appeared, the "circumcision" of the heart, being born again in Christ, so the soul could live eternally with Christ?

One way of looking at the difference between scripture and dispensationalism is to find out how each deals with this remaking by God which is from that which is physical to that which is spiritual.

But many dispensationalists will answer this by saying that dispensationalism does not advocate circumcision, and in this answer they are staying within the literal mindset. Dispensationalism holds on to that which is physical in other ways, such as in believing that God still honors the Old Covenant physical bloodline and/or still holds to the land promises in the Old Covenant. There are other ways in which dispensationalism holds on to the physical and literal which in the remaking (Jeremiah 18: 4) is revealed to be mere shadows of the substance which is Christ, his Gospel, being born again of Him and his Gospel.

 

[musterion]

But the most vital insight of Scripture about that is that there used to be shadow or only a copy and now is the reality in Christ. This is found in Hebrews a lot and once in Colossians. There is something similar in Galatians where there was a tutor or governess of the child, and now there is adulthood. We are no longer slaves but sons with rights and inheritance.

More of your cult's selective literalness.

 

[jamie]

I am not talking about names, I am talking about administrations.

Does an administration have an Administrator? Yes, no, maybe?

Do different administrations have different Saviors?

Do the Father's people have different persons in charge?

"And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life." (Hebrews 7:15-16)

Have there been many Priests with the power of an endless life, one who still lives?

"Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives." (Hebrews 7:8)

Is the Melchizedek a mortal man? Yes, no, maybe?

 

[jamie]

Does an administration have an Administrator? Yes, no, maybe?

Do different administrations have different Saviors?

Do the Father's people have different persons in charge?

"And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life." (Hebrews 7:15-16)

Have there been many Priests with the power of an endless life, one who still lives?

"Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives." (Hebrews 7:8)

Is the Melchizedek a mortal man? Yes, no, maybe?

What is a Melchizedek?

Is the Melchizedek the King of righteousness?

 

[jamie]

Your six day guess remains a guess.

That's okay, it's beyond your understanding.

God has given humankind six days to work.

Unfortunately Adam chose Satan as his god and yielded his dominion to him.

 

[Zeke]

More of your cult's selective literalness.

The selective theory is part of the mid acts mantra as well, signs and wonders get chained in the dungeon of the past when certain scripture won't dance on demand the dispensational rational cuts in on the dance with its post pentecostal jitterbug. Matt 11:11 being the unwelcome line in the sand as is 2Cor 3:6 the only divide that is presented in the teaching of the "spiritual now" vs the letter based on time/secular history of this world where the observational is stressed Matt 11:3 over the invisible Luke 17:20-21 Acts 17:24, Matt 3:2, that mystery "you claim to believe" in 1Cor 3:16 but look for another to come. Spirit transcends those base teachings of the letter a temporal tutor Galatians 4:1, 2Cor 5:16, Galatians 4:24, but the crooked line you have drawn has you building temples with hands in the past, present, and future which has no relevance in the eternal now Romans 13:11, 2Cor 6:2.

 

[DAN P]

In my experience here,many dispensationalists avoid clearly defining their theology, in part because once you have clear definitions of the theology to compare with relevant scripture, this gives an advantage to opponents of the theology in the ongoing quarrels.

I have quoted the founders of the theology, John Darby, C.I. Scofield and Lewis S. Chafer. TOl dispensationalists do not like this at all, claiming that their theology is different from what the founders say it was.

Hi and you should realize that we definitely know MORE than the above , that you have named !!


DISPENSATION / OIKOSOMIA is a Greek compound word !!


OIKOS / HOUSE is what the first word means !!

NOMOS / LAW is what the next word means !!

It means HOUSE / LAW or House Rule !!

dan p

 

[musterion]

In my experience here,many dispensationalists avoid clearly defining their theology,

Did you ever give an example of this?

 

[Danoh]

Did you ever give an example of this?

More like northwye consistently avoids any attempt at discussion with him of that which he so cluelessly opposes.

His posts are more like those of some vandal who shows up in the middle of the night to post some dribble on a wall somewhere, after which he takes off in that same middle of the night, til his next same urge strikes him once more :chuckle:

But there is...no reasoning with such an individual.

Nevertheless, northwye - Romans 5:8 towards you.

 

[oatmeal]

Does an administration have an Administrator? Yes, no, maybe?

Do different administrations have different Saviors?

Do the Father's people have different persons in charge?

"And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life." (Hebrews 7:15-16)

Have there been many Priests with the power of an endless life, one who still lives?

"Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives." (Hebrews 7:8)

Is the Melchizedek a mortal man? Yes, no, maybe?

God's kingdom, ie the kingdom of God has only one king, God.

He is over all, but He has found it wise and fit to change the rules and policies of His kingdom as the need required it.

Hence, the eviction of Adam and Eve out of the garden.

Hence the introduction of the law, etc...

 

[oatmeal]

That's okay, it's beyond your understanding.

God has given humankind six days to work.

Unfortunately Adam chose Satan as his god and yielded his dominion to him.

So, you still cannot substantiate the six days of salvation.

I would like to see the scriptures you use to support that notion.

Evidently, you cannot provide them

Why not stick to the subject of the thread?