Democrats should ask Clinton to step aside

[kmoney]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...clinton-emails-kass-1030-20161028-column.html

Has America become so numb by the decades of lies and cynicism oozing from Clinton Inc. that it could elect Hillary Clinton as president, even after Friday's FBI announcement that it had reopened an investigation of her emails while secretary of state?

We'll find out soon enough.

It's obvious the American political system is breaking down. It's been crumbling for some time now, and the establishment elite know it and they're properly frightened. Donald Trump, the vulgarian at their gates, is a symptom, not a cause. Hillary Clinton and husband Bill are both cause and effect.

FBI director James Comey's announcement about the renewed Clinton email investigation is the bombshell in the presidential campaign. That he announced this so close to Election Day should tell every thinking person that what the FBI is looking at is extremely serious.

This can't be about pervert Anthony Weiner and his reported desire for a teenage girl. But it can be about the laptop of Weiner's wife, Clinton aide Huma Abedin, and emails between her and Hillary. It comes after the FBI investigation in which Comey concluded Clinton had lied and been "reckless" with national secrets, but said he could not recommend prosecution.

So what should the Democrats do now?

If ruling Democrats hold themselves to the high moral standards they impose on the people they govern, they would follow a simple process:

They would demand that Mrs. Clinton step down, immediately, and let her vice presidential nominee, Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, stand in her place.

Democrats should say, honestly, that with a new criminal investigation going on into events around her home-brew email server from the time she was secretary of state, having Clinton anywhere near the White House is just not a good idea.

Since Oct. 7, WikiLeaks has released 35,000 emails hacked from Clinton campaign boss John Podesta. Now WikiLeaks, no longer a neutral player but an active anti-Clinton agency, plans to release another 15,000 emails.

What if she is elected? Think of a nation suffering a bad economy and continuing chaos in the Middle East, and now also facing a criminal investigation of a president. Add to that congressional investigations and a public vision of Clinton as a Nixonian figure wandering the halls, wringing her hands.

The best thing would be for Democrats to ask her to step down now. It would be the most responsible thing to do, if the nation were more important to them than power. And the American news media — fairly or not firmly identified in the public mind as Mrs. Clinton's political action committee — should begin demanding it.

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I thought this was interesting because of what we saw with Trump and there were some people saying that Trump should just step aside or the GOP should force him out and let someone else run against Clinton. If there have been anyone saying the same thing about Clinton then I haven't heard it. If you're someone who supported the idea for Trump then it seems like it'd be warranted for Clinton also.

I'm not sure how something like this would even work, for either side. Has it ever happened? This article said to let Kaine run but is letting Bernie on the ticket still an option?

Maybe we should just start over and do the primaries over again. lain:

 

[Crucible]

Democrats should move to the UK since it's apparently their Paradise on Earth.

 

[ok doser]

I thought this was interesting because of what we saw with Trump and there were some people saying that Trump should just step aside or the GOP should force him out and let someone else run against Clinton. If there have been anyone saying the same thing about Clinton then I haven't heard it. If you're someone who supported the idea for Trump then it seems like it'd be warranted for Clinton also.

I'm not sure how something like this would even work, for either side. Has it ever happened? This article said to let Kaine run but is letting Bernie on the ticket still an option?

Maybe we should just start over and do the primaries over again. lain:

hit reset and play again?


oh please God, no

 

[kmoney]

hit reset and play again?


oh please God, no

Play again just without Trump or Clinton.

 

[ok doser]

Play again just without Trump or Clinton.

and run who - the veeps?

nobody knows diddly about them


go back to the pool of losers from the primaries?


or just appoint Jeb?

 

[Angel4Truth]

I thought this was interesting because of what we saw with Trump and there were some people saying that Trump should just step aside or the GOP should force him out and let someone else run against Clinton. If there have been anyone saying the same thing about Clinton then I haven't heard it. If you're someone who supported the idea for Trump then it seems like it'd be warranted for Clinton also.

I'm not sure how something like this would even work, for either side. Has it ever happened? This article said to let Kaine run but is letting Bernie on the ticket still an option?

Maybe we should just start over and do the primaries over again. lain:

It would work by having her VP pick become the nominee, same for trump.

 

[rocketman]

I thought this was interesting because of what we saw with Trump and there were some people saying that Trump should just step aside or the GOP should force him out and let someone else run against Clinton. If there have been anyone saying the same thing about Clinton then I haven't heard it. If you're someone who supported the idea for Trump then it seems like it'd be warranted for Clinton also.

I'm not sure how something like this would even work, for either side. Has it ever happened? This article said to let Kaine run but is letting Bernie on the ticket still an option?

Maybe we should just start over and do the primaries over again. lain:

Little late for that, the ship already left the port headed for the new banana republic of America. lain:

 

[ClimateSanity]

Little late for that, the ship already left the port headed for the new banana republic of America. lain:

That's been the goal for sometime now. The elites live in their gated armed guarded communities . An upper crust live in expensive communities where it is impossible for anyone else to live and where you lose your job if you are not PC or speak out against the ruling order. The rest of the nation fighting among themselves ...the blacks against the whites, this group against that and millions of immigrants flowing in over the border demanding full government services and refusing to assimilate....hundreds of languages and ethnicities, all self segregating.

 

[rocketman]

That's been the goal for sometime now. The elites live in their gated armed guarded communities . An upper crust live in expensive communities where it is impossible for anyone else to live and where you lose your job if you are not PC or speak out against the ruling order. The rest of the nation fighting among themselves ...the blacks against the whites, this group against that and millions of immigrants flowing in over the border demanding full government services and refusing to assimilate....hundreds of languages and ethnicities, all self segregating.

It is called multiculturalism and it has been a failure of liberals worldwide just look at Europe where it is an utter failure. The Brits were smart enough to vote the brexit which may be the life preserver they needed to save their culture.

 

[rexlunae]

At this point, neither party can do that. It would be suicide. And nothing has really been announced that's really...actionable. Apparently no one even knows what's in these emails or if they're even slightly relevant.

 

[WonderfulLordJesus]

At this point, neither party can do that. It would be suicide. And nothing has really been announced that's really...actionable. Apparently no one even knows what's in these emails or if they're even slightly relevant.

Herein is the problem. There are people serving life in prison for breach of national security. Hillary has breached national security on many counts, is guilty of perjury, obstruction of justice, and a whole litany of felonious behavior. (And let's just ignore the Clinton body count, move along, nothing to see here...) That's right. Nothing actionable, because lawless and evil people like you haven't blessed the nation, yet, to just leave and form your own liberal banana republic, with a homo in every pot. People like you had better duck, if the day comes that what's already on the books and is very actionable becomes actionable, again.

 

[jeffblue101]

At this point, neither party can do that. It would be suicide. And nothing has really been announced that's really...actionable. Apparently no one even knows what's in these emails or if they're even slightly relevant.

not entirely true, the FBI agents who originally discovered the emails would have had to read few emails in order to determine if this was worthy to bring the emails to the attention of the FBI director.

 

[PureX]

It would work by having her VP pick become the nominee, same for trump.

This wouldn't change anyone's votes. Republican voters will still hate the democratic candidate, and democratic voters will still hate the republican candidate. It no longer matters who the candidates actually are, we are all so obsessed with hating the other party that we'll vote of any crappy (or good) candidate they put in front of us, according to "our team".

We have completely confused political parties with self-identified ideology that we'll vote for blatant proven liars, cheaters, and thieves, and tell ourselves we're doing the right thing, because we hate the "other team" that much. It's a hatred that surpasses all reason, and even all morality. And it's tearing the whole country apart.

 

[jeffblue101]

This wouldn't change anyone's votes. Republican voters will still hate the democratic candidate, and democratic voters will still hate the republican candidate. It no longer matters who the candidates actually are, we are all so obsessed with hating the other party that we'll vote of any crappy (or good) candidate they put in front of us, according to "our team".

We have completely confused political parties with self-identified ideology that we'll vote for blatant proven liars, cheaters, and thieves, and tell ourselves we're doing the right thing, because we hate the "other team" that much. It's a hatred that surpasses all reason, and even all morality. And it's tearing the whole country apart.

what's really tearing the country apart are liberals who use are nations courts as a tool to promote their progressive agenda.

 

[rexlunae]

not entirely true, the FBI agents who originally discovered the emails would have had to read few emails in order to determine if this was worthy to bring the emails to the attention of the FBI director.

That's pure speculation.

 

[jeffblue101]

That's pure speculation.

no that is not "pure speculation", that is exactly what happened.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...7ed266-9eb1-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html

The FBI has obtained a warrant to search the emails found on a computer used by former congressman Anthony Weiner that may contain evidence relevant to the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server, according to law enforcement officials.

One official said the total number of emails recovered in the investigation into Weiner (D-N.Y.) is close to 650,000, but that reflects many emails that are not related to the Clinton investigation. But officials familiar with the case said that the messages include a significant amount of correspondence associated with Clinton and her top aide, Huma Abedin, Weiner’s estranged wife.

FBI agents investigating Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of state knew early this month that messages recovered in a separate probe might be germane to their case, but they waited weeks before briefing the FBI director, according to people familiar with the case....

People familiar with the case said that agents on the Clinton email team had known about the messages since soon after New York FBI agents seized a computer related to their investigation into Weiner, who has been accused of exchanging explicit messages with a 15-year-old girl.

The director, James B. Comey, has written that he was informed of the development Thursday, and he sent a letter to legislators the next day letting them know that he thought the team should take “appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails.”

Officials said the agents probing Clinton’s private email server did not tell the director immediately because they were trying to better assess what they had.

“It’s a step-by-step process,” said one senior law enforcement official. “There are many steps along the way that get you to a place where the director can be appropriately briefed in order to make a decision” about whether to move forward.


Investigators will now look at whether the newly uncovered emails contain classified information or other evidence that could help advance the Clinton email probe. It is possible, though, that the messages could be duplicative of others already recovered elsewhere or that they could be a collection of benign, personal notes.

Several law enforcement officials with technical expertise said it is generally not difficult to create software to analyze such emails, searching for terms like “secret” or “top-secret” or any mention of places with classified operations, such as Pakistan. Agents should also be able to figure out quickly how many of the emails duplicate those that have already turned up.

“You could automate that pretty quickly,” said one law enforcement official.

What will take more time, however, is making conclusions about whether any of the emails include classified information. That process, former FBI officials have said, could be cumbersome and drag on after the election. Investigators would have to read those for potentially relevant information, and, if there were questions about their classification, send them to other agencies for review....

Abedin has told people that she is unsure how her emails could have ended up on a device she viewed as belonging to her husband, according to a person familiar with the investigation and civil litigation over the matter.

 

[The Horn]

Wrong. Both Trump and Pence should withdraw . They are an existential threat not only to America but the entire world . Hillary Clinton has done absolutely NOTHING to deserve prosecution for any crime.
She is not a liar but the VICTIM of countless vicious lies about her orchestrated by the Repugnican party (my spelling ) , plus the totally biased conservative media , such as Fox(faux) News, the right-wing extremist phony news website World Net Daily (known as "world nut daily "
and other right-wing scoundrels .
The Repugnican party has wasted millions of taxpayer dollars for the past 25 years trying to smear and destroy Hillary Clinton with countless vicious lies , yet they have yet to come up with one shred of evidence that she has ever done anything even remotely criminal.
But Donald Trump has an atrocious track record in business and politics which renders him totally unfit to be president .
He is without a doubt the most corrupt businessman in America and has done countless despicable and is the greatest con man in U.S. history. There is not an honest cell in his bloated body , and he is lecherous narcissistic sociopath who is out for his own power and monetary gain .
I don't even know where to begin in citing his countless misdeeds . You can google them yourself .
Of course, Hillary Clinton is by no means perfect, but she is at least a level-headed and sane person and she has al the experience, skill, knowledge and political savvy which Trump lacks .
She is America's only hope. Donald Chump is so evil, unscrupulous, mendacious and mentally unhinged he belongs in jail, not the White House.

 

[PureX]

what's really tearing the country apart are liberals who use are nations courts as a tool to promote their progressive agenda.

Oh, I know! That "other team" is responsible for everything bad that happens. It's never "our team" screwing things up, it's always THEM!

 

[The Horn]

What's really tearing the nation apart are the right-wingers who are using the courts to promote their REGRESSIVE agenda for America .

 

[DavidK]

What's really tearing the nation apart is that we are all fallen, sinful humans who don't really want the leadership of Christ.

It's true of the majority of Democrats. It's true of the majority of Republicans. It's true of a large swath of people who identify as "Christians".