Dear Gun Culture: THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE WROUGHT

[TomO]

An 11 year old didn't bash a 8 year old head in with a rock over an argument over a puppy though did he?

He shot her with a shotgun.

Does an event that repulsive, wrong and abnormal not make you think instead of just repeating the same tired arguements?

What does it take to make intelligent people realise something is a just not right about the situation?

lain: The fact that it was a gun makes it worse to you doesn't it?.....It's not the fact that it's children but the fact that a gun was used. :AMR:

You really think that it is more repulsive wrong and abnormal that he used a common (even on your own sad little island) single shot shotgun to murder that poor little girl than if he beat her head in with a rock?!?!?


I retract my previous apology.


I'm out...

 

[Granite]

Guns make it remarkably easier to kill people than our old standbys (rocks, scissors; heck, throw in a ream of paper while we're at it). So stop with the "let's ban Such and Such (as long as it's not guns)" counterargument.

The moral indignation we feel with stories like this comes from how easy it is for a child to murder another child, which--given we're a nation awash with 300 million guns--should surprise no one.

 

[bybee]

Guns make it remarkably easier to kill people than our old standbys (rocks, scissors; heck, throw in a ream of paper while we're at it). So stop with the "let's ban Such and Such (as long as it's not guns)" counterargument.

The moral indignation we feel with stories like this comes from how easy it is for a child to murder another child, which--given we're a nation awash with 300 million guns--should surprise no one.

A more germane question might be what kind of children are we producing?

 

[Granite]

A more germane question might be what kind of children are we producing?

The same kind that we've always had. Maybe we should think as well about the society we're steeping them in. A society where strutting around with a firearm on your hip or shoulder suddenly makes you a "patriot." Where you can put your hands on a gun as easily as you can a soda.

Like I said before, if you've got guns all around you, sooner or later the whole world looks like a shooting range.

 

[TomO]

The same kind that we've always had. Maybe we should think as well about the society we're steeping them in. A society where strutting around with a firearm on your hip or shoulder suddenly makes you a "patriot." Where you can put your hands on a gun as easily as you can a soda.

Like I said before, if you've got guns all around you, sooner or later the whole world looks like a shooting range.

You've still never answered the question.

 

[bybee]

The same kind that we've always had. Maybe we should think as well about the society we're steeping them in. A society where strutting around with a firearm on your hip or shoulder suddenly makes you a "patriot." Where you can put your hands on a gun as easily as you can a soda.

Like I said before, if you've got guns all around you, sooner or later the whole world looks like a shooting range.

Have you heard of "value free" education philosophy? Our public schools are turning out children steeped in the idea that one's individual rights are sacrosanct vis-à-vis the rights of the group.
I believe we are paying a price for this.

 

[Granite]

You've still never answered the question.

I just did. The children we're producing are not fundamentally different from what they've always been: Products of their environment as well as products of their genetics. This kind of senseless violence only seems senseless because we refuse to acknowledge it's not only natural, but inevitable, given the prevalence of guns in this country and the primacy they're given by an extremely vocal minority.

I said recently that we're largely a nation of nincompoops with an impulse control problem. This kid just illustrates the point. That a gun happened to be readily available just makes his initial response even worse. We've allowed that, and will continue to allow that, barring a national sea change.

 

[TomO]

I just did. The children we're producing are not fundamentally different from what they've always been: Products of their environment as well as products of their genetics. This kind of senseless violence only seems senseless because we refuse to acknowledge it's not only natural, but inevitable, given the prevalence of guns in this country and the primacy they're given by an extremely vocal minority.

I said recently that we're largely a nation of nincompoops with an impulse control problem. This kid just illustrates the point. That a gun happened to be readily available just makes his initial response even worse. We've allowed that, and will continue to allow that, barring a national sea change.

No no no....Your Glock...How's "Little Granite" doing?

 

[This Charming Manc]

I really don't care what you think either tomO.

The only way you can deal with this an attack me and claim i don't care about the kids involved which is complete baloney.

You talk about rocks which is non point, but if a child had been beaten to death with a rock there not much anyone can do about rocks, guns are choice which is made, we have a choice on what we can do with guns.

Seems that you think to choose to have guns so middle aged fat men can feel adequate about issues of power is a good call.

I prefer kids or anyone else not to be killed, maimed and shot.

If you want to defend a situation which sees children being shot by other children don't be surprised if i don't care for your opinion much.

lain: The fact that it was a gun makes it worse to you doesn't it?.....It's not the fact that it's children but the fact that a gun was used. :AMR:

You really think that it is more repulsive wrong and abnormal that he used a common (even on your own sad little island) single shot shotgun to murder that poor little girl than if he beat her head in with a rock?!?!?


I retract my previous apology.


I'm out...

 

[Granite]

No no no....Your Glock...How's "Little Granite" doing?

Oh yeah, that stupid question.

There's two options here:

a) I'm not selling (you guys would accuse me of hypocrisy but that's not true, although it's a handy distraction)
b) I'm selling (you'll just say I'm lying)

Known as a "lose-lose," last time I checked.

Given all your possessions to the poor yet?

 

[TomO]

If you want to defend a situation which sees children being shot by other children don't be surprised if i don't care for your opinion much.

I've done nothing but point out the obvious fact that you are indeed a feckless and, for that matter, demagogic, clown.

:e4e:

 

[This Charming Manc]

Wow bybee you are talking like a leftie socialists there.....

The group? I thought america was about the individual.

I actually agree with you, this isn't all about guns its about values and values about guns more than guns themselves

Have you heard of "value free" education philosophy? Our public schools are turning out children steeped in the idea that one's individual rights are sacrosanct vis-à-vis the rights of the group.
I believe we are paying a price for this.

 

[TomO]

Oh yeah, that stupid question.

There's two options here:

a) I'm not selling (you guys would accuse me of hypocrisy but that's not true, although it's a handy distraction)
b) I'm selling (you'll just say I'm lying)

Known as a "lose-lose," last time I checked.

Given all your possessions to the poor yet?

 

[This Charming Manc]

Tell yourself that, but you came on to defend the status quo.

Go send more cash to the NRA make sure children keep being shot in the USA for the next 20 years.

I've done nothing but point out the obvious fact that you are indeed a feckless and, for that matter, demagogic, clown.

:e4e:

 

[Granite]

Tell yourself that, but you came on to defend the status quo.

Go send more cash to the NRA make sure children keep being shot in the USA for the next 20 years.

They consider these dead people necessary sacrifices for the greater good.

 

[ok doser]

This is just....beyond sick.

And what is more sick is that it is simply the natural result of what the NRA, their pocketed politicians, and a brainwashed, brutal percentage of the American population have built.

11-year-old ‘bully’ murdered 8-year-old neighbor with a shotgun after dispute over puppy

i blame the puppy

if puppies were outlawed, then only outlaws would have puppies

 

[This Charming Manc]

To be fair I don't think they consider dead people, they are just stats.

I have never seen a bereaved parent come out pro gun.

They consider these dead people necessary sacrifices for the greater good.

 

[ok doser]

You talk about one incident over 2 year ago, since that point 15,000 Americans have been murdered with guns ...

:think:

 

[This Charming Manc]

Do only white ones count or something?

are you happy to take a high homicides rate in people of colour?

:think:

 

[ok doser]

happy?

why would you think that?


meanwhile, chad dion lassiter's plaint about philadelphia remains unaddressed