DACA - Dreamers

patrick jane

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What a pleasant, non-confrontational name for children of illegals. Don't hurt the dreamers, they have a dream. It's amnesty, pure and simple, put into place by Obummer under executive order, because that was the only way he could get it through. The temporary order is about to expire. What about our own citizens who are under served and struggling?

Will we give amnesty to all people under 18 just because they set foot in America? The demonrats only see votes
 

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What a pleasant, non-confrontational name for children of illegals. Don't hurt the dreamers, they have a dream. It's amnesty, pure and simple, put into place by Obummer under executive order, because that was the only way he could get it through. The temporary order is about to expire. What about our own citizens who are under served and struggling?

Will we give amnesty to all people under 18 just because they set foot in America? The demonrats only see votes

Boy Patrick, that sure is mean spirited. Don't you have to give them a path Patrick?


Rubio: Trump used to support amnesty and the DREAM Act before running for president, you know
https://hotair.com/archives/2015/11...am-act-before-running-for-president-you-know/
 

patrick jane

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What a pleasant, non-confrontational name for children of illegals. Don't hurt the dreamers, they have a dream. It's amnesty, pure and simple, put into place by Obummer under executive order, because that was the only way he could get it through. The temporary order is about to expire. What about our own citizens who are under served and struggling?

Will we give amnesty to all illegals under 18 just because they set foot in America? The demonrats only see votes
DACA - Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals - it looks like Trump will end it, with a 6 month window for a solution.
 

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Have a heart Patrick. Even Paul Ryan doesn't want Trump to overturn DACA.

I want you to reflect on that, Kmoney.

Paul Ryan is against Trump on this.

Do you honestly think that Paul Ryan miraculously developed a conscience all of a sudden?

Do you honestly think that Paul Ryan cares about these people?

Or don't you think that it's much more likely that he's in favor of DACA because his corporate donors are in favor of it?

If Paul Ryan is against Trump on this, then I'm in agreement with Trump.

DEPORT THEM ALL!
 

Danoh

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If it weren't for illegal aliens, who would help tear down old buildings in Manhattan?

Trump Says He Didn't Know He Employed Illegal Aliens
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/07/13/nyregion/trump-says-he-didn-t-know-he-employed-illegal-aliens.html

So what's new - Trump has ever been a corrupt individual.

That right there says all one needs to know about his base of support.

Regardless of what his supposedly Christian base asserts they hold to Biblically, the fact is obvious - like attracts like.

Their hypocrisy is to be expected.

Like attracts like as much as it repels unlike.

Make America HATE Again is not their actual heart's motto for nothing.

No matter what "Jesus" such claim to believe in.

It is what it is.

Fail it will, as a result.

Failing...it already is...
 

Danoh

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Your Clown in Chief does not know what he is up against on this one.

He is basically attempting to climb up an oily hill on a skateboard in roller blades, during a mudslide, with an 800,000 ton boulder tied to his false hairpiece, on a windsoaked rainy day, in the middle of the night with his eyes wide shut, and his hands tied behind his desperate need to be liked ever sabotaging his every false move.
 

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Your Clown in Chief does not know what he is up against on this one.

He is basically attempting to climb up an oily hill on a skateboard in roller blades, during a mudslide, with an 800,000 ton boulder tied to his false hairpiece, on a windsoaked rainy day, in the middle of the night with his eyes wide shut, and his hands tied behind his desperate need to be liked ever sabotaging his every false move.

He's not up against anything. DACA was a EO. Which can be undone by an EO.
 

kmoney

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I want you to reflect on that, Kmoney.

Paul Ryan is against Trump on this.

Do you honestly think that Paul Ryan miraculously developed a conscience all of a sudden?

Do you honestly think that Paul Ryan cares about these people?

Or don't you think that it's much more likely that he's in favor of DACA because his corporate donors are in favor of it?
:idunno:

If Paul Ryan is against Trump on this, then I'm in agreement with Trump.

DEPORT THEM ALL!
Of course you are.
 

kmoney

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DACA - Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals - it looks like Trump will end it, with a 6 month window for a solution.

I don't like his decision but it could be worse. Some of it will depend on how exactly Trump handles the next 6 months.
I hope Congress can come up with a plan.
 

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A Lesson in True Leadership of "the Free World..."

Obama Speaks Out For Dreamers And Calls Out Trump Lies In Blistering DACA Statement

By Jason Easley on Tue, Sep 5th, 2017 at 3:14 pm

President Obama issued a strong statement that called out Trump's real reason for ending DACA while standing up for American values and decency.

In a statement provided to PoliticusUSA, former President Obama said:

Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union.


A former president criticizing a policy of a current president is something that is not seen very often, but President Obama promised that he would speak out against injustice and that is what he is doing. Obama was correct. Trump’s DACA decision wasn’t required legally. Trump could have let the lawsuits work their way through the courts. There was no legal reason for the action to be taken now.

The former President also perfectly summed up why so many Americans are outraged. What Trump did was reject basic decency. He hurt families, children, businesses, and innocent immigrants who don’t know any other life but the one that they have in the United States.

The DACA statement was the most passionate remarks that Obama has made since leaving office. A decent man is fighting for the soul of his country and still driving America toward that more perfect union.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/09/05/261010.html

Or as the Christ put it to the "Religious Right" hypocrisy of His day...

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
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