You do know there are Holocaust deniers?
How old were you in the 1970's?
Were you even alive in the 1970's?
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You do know there are Holocaust deniers?
How old were you in the 1970's?
Were you even alive in the 1970's?
gcthomas
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Wrong again ...
Nope
Don't you realize how silly you appear.
The Antarctic ice extent is at record levels. Because this is so embarrassing to global warming hoax proponents such as yourself, you guys have to claim that the ice mass is decreasing.
However, just like the Antarctic ice isn't melting, the Antarctic ice mass isn't decreasing either.
New paper shows ice mass stable to increasing over most of Antarctic ice sheet
gcthomas
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Sea ice floats on the sea, and contributes to sea level rises. It is the ice on LAND that is key, so stop banging on about sea ice - it is not relevent.
That article doesn't give the overall balance of the increases and decreases, although the graphic seems to show a lot of mass loss over significant areas.
I assume you haven't read the paper's conclusions? Are you able to read the actual paper, because the abstract doesn't give the information needed to support your claim.
These so called "experts" whom you guys believe whatever they tell you changed their positions from "ice age is coming" to "global warming" for political and idealogical reasons the same way Phd's changed their position on homosexuality.
Let's compare "man made global warming" to homosexuality.
Up until the mid 70's phycologists claimed homosexuality was a mental disease. As of 1974, the American Psychiatric Association considered homosexuality a mental illness.
Sigmund Freud concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. From Freud to the mid 70's psychiatrists all agreed that homosexuality could be "treated".
There was unanimous agreement amongst these people with Phd's that homosexuality was a disease that could be treated.
Homosexuality was listed as a disease in the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders"
In 1974 homosexuality was removed from DSM-II.
Why?
There were no new facts, scientific breakthroughs, DNA evidence, or anything else. Yet by a 55% vote homosexuality was no longer a disease.
Do you know why they did it?
Answer: political and idealogical reasons.
And, that's the same reason all these climatologists with Phd's went from claiming an ice age was coming to claiming man made global warming is a threat to the world.
Any land ice that is melting on Antarctica is from volcanos not global warming.
gcthomas
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So ice is melting, but not because of the observed temperature rises? Is that your claim now?
(I take it you couldn't read the paper you have a support, so you have dropped it?)
The paper agree with the findings of other papers, showing loss of ice over most of Antarctica. It is the same with Greenland. The model accurately predicted an increase in snowfall on higher latitudes, which means more snow in Greenland and Antarctica. Warmer seas mean more humidity, which means more precipitation. However, the total mass of ice is decreasing, because of increased melting at the edges of the mass.
Ironically, the greater snowfall appears to be accelerating the loss of ice:
Nature Geoscience 1, 106 - 110 (2008)
Published online: 13 January 2008 \
Recent Antarctic ice mass loss from radar interferometry and regional climate modelling
Eric Rignot1,2,3, Jonathan L. Bamber4, Michiel R. van den Broeke5, Curt Davis6, Yonghong Li6, Willem Jan van de Berg5 & Erik van Meijgaard7
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Large uncertainties remain in the current and future contribution to sea level rise from Antarctica. Climate warming may increase snowfall in the continent’s interior1, 2, 3, but enhance glacier discharge at the coast where warmer air and ocean temperatures erode the buttressing ice shelves4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Here, we use satellite interferometric synthetic-aperture radar observations from 1992 to 2006 covering 85% of Antarctica’s coastline to estimate the total mass flux into the ocean. We compare the mass fluxes from large drainage basin units with interior snow accumulation calculated from a regional atmospheric climate model for 1980 to 2004. In East Antarctica, small glacier losses in Wilkes Land and glacier gains at the mouths of the Filchner and Ross ice shelves combine to a near-zero loss of 4±61 Gt yr−1. In West Antarctica, widespread losses along the Bellingshausen and Amundsen seas increased the ice sheet loss by 59% in 10 years to reach 132±60 Gt yr−1 in 2006. In the Peninsula, losses increased by 140% to reach 60±46 Gt yr−1 in 2006. Losses are concentrated along narrow channels occupied by outlet glaciers and are caused by ongoing and past glacier acceleration. Changes in glacier flow therefore have a significant, if not dominant impact on ice sheet mass balance.
Ironically, the greater snowfall appears to be accelerating the loss of ice:
Nature Geoscience 1, 106 - 110 (2008)
Published online: 13 January 2008 \
Recent Antarctic ice mass loss from radar interferometry and regional climate modelling
Eric Rignot1,2,3, Jonathan L. Bamber4, Michiel R. van den Broeke5, Curt Davis6, Yonghong Li6, Willem Jan van de Berg5 & Erik van Meijgaard7
Top of page
Large uncertainties remain in the current and future contribution to sea level rise from Antarctica. Climate warming may increase snowfall in the continent’s interior1, 2, 3, but enhance glacier discharge at the coast where warmer air and ocean temperatures erode the buttressing ice shelves4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Here, we use satellite interferometric synthetic-aperture radar observations from 1992 to 2006 covering 85% of Antarctica’s coastline to estimate the total mass flux into the ocean. We compare the mass fluxes from large drainage basin units with interior snow accumulation calculated from a regional atmospheric climate model for 1980 to 2004. In East Antarctica, small glacier losses in Wilkes Land and glacier gains at the mouths of the Filchner and Ross ice shelves combine to a near-zero loss of 4±61 Gt yr−1. In West Antarctica, widespread losses along the Bellingshausen and Amundsen seas increased the ice sheet loss by 59% in 10 years to reach 132±60 Gt yr−1 in 2006. In the Peninsula, losses increased by 140% to reach 60±46 Gt yr−1 in 2006. Losses are concentrated along narrow channels occupied by outlet glaciers and are caused by ongoing and past glacier acceleration. Changes in glacier flow therefore have a significant, if not dominant impact on ice sheet mass balance.
tetalasti still doesn't get it:
As you learned, the great majority of climatologists, even in the 1970s, were concerned with global warming. No point in denying the fact.
As you learned, the great majority of climatologists, even in the 1970s, were concerned with global warming. No point in denying the fact.
Selaphiel
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Yes, and? You have something in common with them, denying well established facts. The only difference between climate change deniers and Holocaust deniers is the degree of consensus among experts in the respective relevant fields. With regards to the climate change issue, that consensus is at 97-98% today. Among historians, affirming that the Holocaust took place is >99%.
Relevance? The only things that counts when considering the question "Did the majority of climatologists predict global warming or global cooling in the 70s?" is the body of scientific literature in that area in that period. That body of literature still exists and is available today. When I was born is not relevant unless you think obscure anecdotes from what someone remembers from science class or what sensationalist newspaper/magazine articles is relevant to the question. It is not, not even remotely.
You are profoundly ignorant. First of all, as is demonstrated by the linked metastudy of the scientific articles on climate in the 70s, there has been no change as in the majority of climate scientists back then still predicted global warming. The only difference is that the consensus is higher due to more and better data today.
Secondly, you have presented no case for your irrelevant comparison to homosexuality as a mental illness. I'm fairly certain that there is a bit more to that story than what you choose to present. As in understanding that homosexuality does not fit what is considered to be mental illness.
When I took a course in abnormal psychology back in the 60s, homosexuality was still considered to be a mental disorder. As the Freudian outlook gave way to neurology and functional considerations, it became apparent that homosexuals were indistinguishable from "normal" people on any objective inventory of emotional health.
And so it was dropped.
One might or might not agree with that premise, but it was evidence-based and objectively measurable.
Based on what facts?
The bottom line is thousands upon thousands of people with Phd's for over a hundred years claimed homosexuality was a mental disease. Then in 1974 with a 55% - 45% vote, the disease was "cured".
Now almost no one with a Phd claims homosexuality is a mental disease.
There were not facts, discoveries, evidence, or anything else to warrant the change.
It's proof that a bunch of people with Phd's changed their stance on an issue without absolutely no facts whatsoever.
The same thing happened with climate change. A bunch of people with Phd's changed their stance on a specific issue with absolutely no facts.
The only difference is the psychiatrists aren't trying to rewrite history by claiming that psychiatrists never said homosexuality was a disease like climatologists are by claiming they never said there was going to be an ice age.
Another myth.
It originated from an endlessly reported 2009 American Geophysical Union (AGU) survey consisting of an intentionally brief two-minute, two question online survey sent to 10,257 earth scientists by two researchers at the University of Illinois. Of the about 3.000 who responded, 82% answered “yes” to the second question, which like the first, most people I know would also have agreed with.
Then of those, only a small subset, just 77 who had been successful in getting more than half of their papers recently accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals, were considered in their survey statistic. That “98% all scientists” referred to a laughably puny number of 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”.
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That's a very bold and categorical statement, which you must have a great deal of evidence to support. Volcanic activity in Antarctica is not new. So why is it melting the glaciers now?
You're making my point.
The glaciers on Antarctica have been melting for hundreds of years because of volcanos. It has nothing to do with the man made global warming hoax.
You're ignoring mine.
And yet, it's only recently that they have been diminishing. Why do you suppose that is?
You're right. It isn't a hoax.
Um.....because molten lava is really hot.
"If you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let 'em go, because man, they're gone." - Jack Handy
But as I pointed out, this activity is not new.
Record snow in Columbia, South Carolina
Columbia, SC is experiencing its earliest snowfall on record. It beat the previous record (Nov 9, 1913) by 9 days.
I know, I know..........weather has nothing to do with climate change...........Unless of course, when there are record high temperatures.......Then, it's the result of man made global warming and SUV's.
Columbia, SC is experiencing its earliest snowfall on record. It beat the previous record (Nov 9, 1913) by 9 days.
I know, I know..........weather has nothing to do with climate change...........Unless of course, when there are record high temperatures.......Then, it's the result of man made global warming and SUV's.
gcthomas
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GW is expected to increase extreme weather events. Go figure.