ECT Classical Vs. Biblical Original Sin - Interlude & DIRECT ASSAULT (Part 3) :execute:
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AMEN... I AGREE! What is your disagreement with me? Do you embrace "Augustine Original Sin" or not?
They accused her of breaking a Law within the Law.
He wrote on the ground with His finger.
It had been with the finger of God that the Ten Commandments had been written and it had been with the finger of God that Jesus performed His miracles.
And He knew men's hearts.
And Hebrew is short jots and tittles.
Sort of like our texting today - c u ltr for see you later, k, for okay.
He wrote a jot and tittle for each of the Ten Commandments and then basically said to them "any of you not guilty of one of these, throw the first stone at her."
He was talking about those sins.
By the way, He raised Himself up and then forgave a woman caught in adultry; right?
Quite the symbolism, there.
Because you don't actually know what He wrote, I counter... He wrote the only commandment that He ever officially gave to All mankind, while with us... I believe He Wrote into the very dust of the earth we came from...
"Love the Lord your God with All your Heart and Soul and Love your Neighbor as yourself."
After all... He said... (John 15:13)
Then He bled on that dust to seal His utter, perfect LOVE for us.
Same hand of God... Two separate Covenants... The Devil is afraid of the dispensational details.
glorydaz
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If I may.....What would "success" be?
Wouldn't it be seeking and knowing God?
What would make it possible? Why would God remove those abilities from us by making sure we were too depraved and blind to do so? Yes, we live in a world of corruption because of Adam's sin, and it's a hard row we have to hoe, but it's often through suffering that we seek God. When we're without hope, we remember our God who made us. When we see God's goodness while we struggle in this world of sin and evil, we come to realize that He is our only hope. It's then, when we hear the Gospel, and take it to heart, that we believe and are saved.
Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
glorydaz
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Where do you see that, Nick?
Close enough, lol
dodge
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If there were no scriptures that support and teach original sin it would be fair to call it Augustine's doctrine, bit it just isn't so.
TOL.
glorydaz
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Scripture tells us the soul that sinneth shall die. The wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him...not on his sons that come after him.
Ezek. 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Have you ever seen a newborn speaking lies and going astray? It's a figure of speech for early on in life. Most verses refer to going astray in one's youth. David was a youth when he fought the Philistine. It's also the time when children know to choose good over evil.
Anyway, so, Adam's federal headship is greater than our LORD's? Why is it that all men are born spiritually dead because of Adam, but only some are made alive when they believe in Christ. You don't see the disparity there? :think:
glorydaz
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Oh yeah. :chuckle:
glorydaz
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The great Pontificator cannot keep himself in check for long. :chuckle:
glorydaz
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What that particular "condemnation" was is up for debate it seems.
glorydaz
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Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
dodge
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“The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies” (Psa. 58:3). First, from the moment
of birth every child is morally and spiritually cut off from the Lord—a lost sinner. “Estranged from God and all good: alienated
from the Divine life, and its principles, powers, and blessings” (Matthew Henry). Adam lost not only the image of God, but His favour
and fellowship too—being expelled from His presence: and each of his children was born outside Eden, born in a state of guilt. Second,
in consequence thereof they are delinquents, perverts, from the beginning. Their very being is polluted, for evil is bred in the
bone with them, their “nature” being inclined unto wickedness only: and if God leaves them unto themselves they will never return
therefrom. Third, quickly do they supply evidence of their separation from God and the corruption of their hearts—as every godly
parent perceives to his sorrow. While in the cradle itself they evince their opposition to truth, sincerity, integrity. “Foolishness is
bound in the heart of a child” (Prov. 22:15): not “childishness” but “foolishness”—that positive propensity to evil, the entering into an
ungodly course, the forming and following of bad habits: “bound in the heart”—held firmly there by chains invincible to human
power.
But in all ages there have been those who sought to blunt the sharp edge of Psalm 58:3, by unwarrantably narrowing its scope,
denying that it has a race-wide application: those who are determined at all costs to rid themselves of the unpalatable truth of the total
depravity of all mankind. Pelagians and Socinians have insisted that that verse is speaking only of a particularly reprobate class, those
who are flagrantly wayward from an early age. Rightly did John Owen point out: “It is to no purpose to say that he speaks of wicked
men only: that is, such as are habitually and profligately so. For whatever any man may afterwards run into by a course of sin, all men
are morally alike from the womb, and it is an aggravation of the wickedness of men that it begins so early and holds on in an uninterrupted
course. Children are not able to speak from the womb, as soon as they be born. Yet here are they said to speak lies. It is therefore
the perverse acting of depraved nature in infancy that is intended, for everything that is irregular, that answers not the law of our
creation and rule of our obedience, is a lie.”
A.W. Pink the depravity of man.
glorydaz
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What's changed? We still can't be righteous "in one's own strength".
dodge
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OK then why do babies die if they are sinless kinda contradicts scripture? Everyone is born with Adam's nature just like scripture says.
Have you ever wondered why scripture does not say" In Eve all die " since she was deceived and not Adam? The reason all die in Adam is because Adam was the federal head of mankind.
They go to the land of the dead. The Hebrew and Greek readers here tell us it is called "shoel" I believe. They did not go to heaven, as told by the Lord Jesus Christ. He said no one went to heaven or had been there more correctly, except him.
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Another sweeping under the rug is that of those who clearly, are ever allowing their flesh to deceive them into believing its' lie that their being themselves is being like Christ.
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