Christianity vs karma

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I think readers can read the thread so far, and make their own determination on understanding what karma is

karma is a lie

- research and education on the subject is essential to treat the subject fairly.

study the bible, study the truth, not the counterfeit .

All thoughts, intentions, words and actions have effects. This is why it does matter what you do or do not do within the greater scheme of movements in space and time, and how that affects your conscious experience.

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your belief in karma and disinterest of what is true
will guide you to eternal conscious torment.

The entire Bible (and most every religious tradition or system of ethical law) would support this understanding, and the fact that 'God' and his messengers teach man the ways, codes and principles to live by, further verifies this observation.

no . quoting bible verses out of context is not proof that the bible supports karma .

'Heaven' and 'hell' are reflective states of consciousness,

no

for the mind tends to reflect (like within a mirror) what it gives its attention to, while the law of seedtime and harvest of a certain mentality or action, produces its own effects (fruit), - as long as actions persist....there is karma.(this is what karma is).

no. not true now won't be true when you die

This makes one responsible for his actions, or those effects which are caused by his own intentional willful acts. Such is the law of accountability. karmic effects may be modified or attenuated by various factors within different contexts.

sin kills Jesus gives life.
Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me

Your consciousness and actions are birthing new experiences for you from moment to moment, day to day, year to year. You don't need a theory or even belief in 're-incarnation' to accept the principle of 'rebirth' philosophically and apply it within a greater religious life-context of being careful of your attitude and behaviors. Do recall the scriptures speak of a 'Book of Remembrance' and a 'Book of Life',...so there is an 'accounting' of choices and deeds kept in the akashic records. No good choice or deed goes unrewarded, neither does any sin or evil go without suffering or punishment somewhere along the line. There is perfect justice and merciful provision in the cosmos. Such is the way the Universe works.

heaven or eternal conscious torment.

Rom 2:5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
Rom 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works:
Rom 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
Rom 2:8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.

 

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Further insights on karma........

Further insights on karma........

karma is a lie

No,...it is a word that means 'action' or 'doing', and understood as also including all the consequences and patterned effects of such actions. For those following our thread so far, they can learn what it actually means from the philosophical perspectives of both eastern and western religious traditions. Education on matters can do wonders. Karma is universal, and its laws, actions and conductivity is also logically 'universal'. "As you sow, so shall you reap",....we've been over this again and again :surf: - "what measure you mete out, shall be measured back to you".

study the bible, study the truth, not the counterfeit .

I've done ample bible study over the years, and the reality of 'actions' and 'consequences' continues to be. "and each were judged according to their karma". Remember...'karma' is 'deeds', 'actions', 'doing'.

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your belief in karma and disinterest of what is true
will guide you to eternal conscious torment.

ECT has been challenged here and elsewhere. - it is a pernicious doctrine. It is more likely by right understanding of karma, that I will be inspired to DO GOOD, and thereby reap the reward of goodness for its own sake, and enjoy the laws of God because they are good and right, and bring no pain or sorrow

no . quoting bible verses out of context is not proof that the bible supports karma .

The fact of universal law is a law unto itself, it doesnt necessarily need to be found in a religious book, it just so happens that some religious writings in traditions both east and west, recognize and describe the law, since its an observable law of nature. When you observe the book of Nature, you have access into the cosmos itself, how things work and operate. You dont need a man-made book necessarily.

sin kills Jesus gives life.

Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me

I've never claimed anywhere that Jesus is NOT the way, truth and life, since he represents 'God' as his anointed Messenger. If the wages of 'sin' is 'death'....what are the wages of 'right conduct'? - put your thinking cap on...........

heaven or eternal conscious torment.

Not quite,....we've already shown the insanity of ECT, its not becoming of a Good and Loving Deity.

Now 'heaven' yes....since in the presence of 'God'....there is always 'heaven', being that pure and beautiful realm of 'God-consciousness'. Remember,...Spirit is OMNIPRESENT 'Heaven' is HERE & NOW. The 'I AM' of pure Awareness is ever being itself, all-ways. The Allness of God ever IS.

Rom 2:5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
Rom 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works:
Rom 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
Rom 2:8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.

Your passage above, clearly supports 'karma'. Thanks for sharing - read it again carefully.....wrath is only 'stored up' by those who are wilfull rebels and sinners. The wages of sin is death, right? He will render to each according to their karma. To those who DO WELL, and actively SEEK for glory and immortality,....what does God give them? TO those who are purely selfish and do NOT the truth, but only do WRONG....they reap what they sow. The options of Life or Death are given by 'God' to all conscious beings to choose, but in the meantime...AS LONG AS THERE IS ACTION of any kind....there is 'karma' and the consequences of various kinds and qualities of action, which must be effected because that is how the law of action works. Its pretty basic and universal....and there will be different modifying factors and conditional effects per each individual action.

This is why in the ultimate and perfect sense, only 'God' can rightfully judge and adjudicate every soul, as their case comes before the divine tribunals. God renders the most perfect judgments, wholly just and merciful, allowing all the opportunity to fulfill their purpose for being, even while giving a certain measure of free will liberty. The universal axiom holds,....."he will give to each one according to their works". - I dont see anytime when this standard rule will no longer apply, because as long as there are actions...there will continue to be the effects and consequences of thought, word and deed.

 

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Simple Definition of karma

: the force created by a person's actions that is believed in Hinduism and Buddhism to determine what that person's next life will be like

: the force created by a person's actions that some people believe causes good or bad things to happen to that person

karma
kill a person -1 fornicate and have a child +1 = even


Christianity

Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,


Christians receive heaven which is gift we can not earn
Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

We do reap what we sow.

However, we have only one life to live, not a series of lives.

For a believer, we have received the gift of eternal life, so even though that eternal life may be temporarily be interrupted by our death, I Thessalonians 4:13-18 tells us that the dead shall rise up and so shall we ever be with the lord.

We have been justified and been judged righteous, after all, our sins have been paid for and we have been given righteousness as part of the eternal life/salvation gift.

We do have the wonderful expectation for being judged, not for evil, but for good and the receiving of eternal rewards for good and faithful service to God and His son according to God's word.

 

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No,...it is a word that means 'action' or 'doing', and understood as also including all the consequences and patterned effects of such actions. For those following our thread so far, they can learn what it actually means from the philosophical perspectives of both eastern and western religious traditions. Education on matters can do wonders. Karma is universal, and its laws, actions and conductivity is also logically 'universal'. "As you sow, so shall you reap",....we've been over this again and again :surf: - "what measure you mete out, shall be measured back to you".

karma is a lie like mormonism is a lie both paths lead to hell

I've done ample bible study over the years, and the reality of 'actions' and 'consequences' continues to be. "and each were judged according to their karma". Remember...'karma' is 'deeds', 'actions', 'doing'.

most clever trick of satan is mixing truth with lies .
breaking God's law is sin , not bad karma and the penalty for sin is death

ECT has been challenged here and elsewhere. - it is a pernicious doctrine. It is more likely by right understanding of karma, that I will be inspired to DO GOOD, and thereby reap the reward of goodness for its own sake, and enjoy the laws of God because they are good and right, and bring no pain or sorrow

ECT has been challenged and found biblical ,Jesus taught about it himself Luke 16:19-31 , Mat 25:46

The fact of universal law is a law unto itself, it doesnt necessarily need to be found in a religious book, it just so happens that some religious writings in traditions both east and west, recognize and describe the law, since its an observable law of nature. When you observe the book of Nature, you have access into the cosmos itself, how things work and operate. You dont need a man-made book necessarily.

laws are information , information needs a creator , God is the law giver.


Rom 3:20 because by the works of the Law none of all flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,


you can't undo sin it only piles up

I've never claimed anywhere that Jesus is NOT the way, truth and life, since he represents 'God' as his anointed Messenger. If the wages of 'sin' is 'death'....what are the wages of 'right conduct'? - put your thinking cap on...........

you need to know you can't earn heaven

Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

not quite,....we've already shown the insanity of ECT, its not becoming of a Good and Loving Deity.

ECT is biblical ,don't really care what buddha thinks.

Now 'heaven' yes....since in the presence of 'God'....there is always 'heaven', being that pure and beautiful realm of 'God-consciousness'. Remember,...Spirit is OMNIPRESENT 'Heaven' is HERE & NOW. The 'I AM' of pure Awareness is ever being itself, all-ways. The Allness of God ever IS.

this is your heaven

Your passage above, clearly supports 'karma'. Thanks for sharing - read it again carefully.....wrath is only 'stored up' by those who are wilfull rebels and sinners. The wages of sin is death, right? He will render to each according to their karma. To those who DO WELL, and actively SEEK for glory and immortality,....what does God give them? TO those who are purely selfish and do NOT the truth, but only do WRONG....they reap what they sow. The options of Life or Death are given by 'God' to all conscious beings to choose, but in the meantime...AS LONG AS THERE IS ACTION of any kind....there is 'karma' and the consequences of various kinds and qualities of action, which must be effected because that is how the law of action works. Its pretty basic and universal....and there will be different modifying factors and conditional effects per each individual action.

This is why in the ultimate and perfect sense, only 'God' can rightfully judge and adjudicate every soul, as their case comes before the divine tribunals. God renders the most perfect judgments, wholly just and merciful, allowing all the opportunity to fulfill their purpose for being, even while giving a certain measure of free will liberty. The universal axiom holds,....."he will give to each one according to their works". - I dont see anytime when this standard rule will no longer apply, because as long as there are actions...there will continue to be the effects and consequences of thought, word and deed.

:nono:
you missed the key part about repentance
Rom 2:5 But according to your hardness and your impenitent heart...

not by works but by grace

Eph_2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,