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The Catholics do things that God hates.
An exclusively Catholic doctrine on justification? Not on TOL
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The Catholics do things that God hates.
Christians do things that God hates.
John 6:65 (KJV) and 2nd Timothy 2:25 (KJV) both teach that repentance is given by God. You've got it wrong.
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The have to repent of those sins, work at not doing those sins again. They have to train themselves. They have to be careful.
I can give you scripture references for all that if you want.
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God calls everyone to repent.
Acts 17:30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
When Jesus was on earth, God did cut off and harden some Jews so they could not believe in Jesus while Jesus walked the earth, but when Jesus was lifted up, crucified, then all should repent and come to him.
Jesus came first for the sheep who already belonged to God by faith. Not all Jews belonged to Him by faith. God cut off the Jews who did not already have faith. Those Jews who had faith already belonged to God, but they now had to go through Jesus to remain God's. They were God's and He gave them to Jesus.
And still, John 6:65 (KJV) and 2nd Timothy 2:25 (KJV) both teach that repentance is given by God.
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You continue to prove that you are self-centered.
Do they have to do that on their own?
What kind of hardening agent did God use to harden them?
So you're saying He violated their free will?
Most of Israel had no faith whatsoever. They just liked seeing Jesus do miracles, and weren't really interested in what He came to offer.
That would have been most of them.
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I am centered on God.
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You don't understand what it means because you did not study it on your own with the Holy Spirit. You are merely repeating what other teachers have said it means.
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They are not on their own if they obey Jesus' words.
God hid it from their eyes. He made it so that they could not see and hear. He made their hearts hard. He gave them a spirit of stupor.
Luke 19:42 and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace--but now it is hidden from your eyes.
Luke 8:10
He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'
John 12:40
"He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them."
Romans 11:8
as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day."
Matthew 13:14
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
Mark 4:12 so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"
Mark 8:17And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, "Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet see or understand? Do you have a hardened heart? 18"HAVING EYES, DO YOU NOT SEE? AND HAVING EARS, DO YOU NOT HEAR? And do you not remember,
God did that while Jesus was on earth. After Jesus was crucified, they could believe and repent.
Many Jews believed.
As for you speaking about miracles, Jesus told them if they do not believe what he says then to believe him on the miracles.
Many are called few are chosen.
I meant do they do those works and work at being saved by their own doing?
So what if they died in this "stupor"? Does that mean God is to blame for their going to Hell? Will they have a case against God when they stand before Him at the final judgment?
Because that's what you're saying.
Believe in what?
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Sure you are. That's why you always tell us how Jesus accepts you because you "obey".
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I do what he says. You too can do what he says.
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I'm saved by what HE DID. I trust HIM.
The gospel of the grace of God is about that HE DID, not what what YOU did.
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There are things we have to do before we are saved to get saved, and then after we are saved Jesus lives inside us to help us.
We are always being judged. There will be a time after they die too.
You will have to expound.
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What he did was to show you the way.
God did not nail all Jesus' teachings to the cross.
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Jesus was a minister of the circumcision to confirm the promises made to the FATHERS.
Look it up. It's in the Bible.
God has a specific purpose for the nation of Israel and He will fulfill it when He is ready.
I know the way.... TODAY.... it's the gospel of the grace of God.
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The promise WAS what He made to Abraham before He gave the law to Moses.
I am so glad to have this deep conversation with you. I have to go for now and hope we can continue to discuss this more.
musterion
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Why'd you ignore the second part of his post about how to be saved today?