The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

beloved57

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For all whom Christ died, for them He also rose again the third day 1 Cor 15:3-4, and for them He has been seated at the Right Hand of God, and makes intercession for them Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.


34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Thats right, all for whom Christ died [Gods Elect] He rose again [for their justification Rom 4:25] and He maketh intercession for them !

Jesus Christ makes intercession for all sinner He died and rose again for.

This Intercession also saves them, brings them to God Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
 
beloved57

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Scriptures that prove that Christ did not come to save all men, but only some !

I know the devil has deceived many into thinking that Christ came to save all sinners without exception. This he does by employing words in their minds like every, all, world, or whole world, and then blinding men to the biblical significance of those words in redemptive history !

However its my ministry to tell the truth as it is in Christ Jesus. Here are some verses that show that Salvation is based upon Gods Promise, and its Promised to only Gods Elect, Israel, the Church/Body of Christ !

1. Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

John Gill writes on this verse :


But Israel shall be saved in the Lord,.... Not the carnal seed of Israel, or the natural posterity of Jacob, for only a remnant of them were saved; indeed, in the latter day, when there will be a general conversion of them, there will be a general salvation of them,all Israel shall be saved; but here the spiritual Israel of God are meant, such as God has appointed unto salvation; who are taken into the covenant of his grace, in which their salvation is secured; who are his spiritual people, whom Christ saves from their sins; who are redeemed by the blood of Christ, and are called by his grace; who believe in him, and hope in the Lord: these "shall be saved": there is a certainty of their salvation, and not a mere probability and possibility of it only. It is not they "may be", but they "shall be" saved; it is the will of God they should, whose will cannot be resisted; they are the purchase of Christ, which he will never lose, and the Spirit is the earnest and pledge of salvation to them: and it is "in" and "by the Lord" they are saved, not in of themselves; their destruction is of themselves, but their salvation is of the Lord; and they are saved as they are in him, and owing to their being in him; they are chosen in him, and hence spring all the blessings of grace and salvation to them; they are representatively in him, as their federal Head; they are openly in him, in effectual calling; and they are justified in him, and by his righteousness, and so saved; and being in him, there is no condemnation to them, nor can they ever come into it. They are saved "by" the Lord; by the Word of the Lord, as the Targum; by Jesus Christ, the incarnate Word; by his obedience, sufferings, and death; by his blood, righteousness, and sacrifice; and by his interceding life, and that "with an everlasting salvation"; which is distinguished, by this epithet, from a temporal one, and is opposed to eternal damnation, the desert of sin; it is the salvation of the immortal soul, and includes in it grace and glory, which are perpetual and everlasting; and the duration of it is owing to the perpetuity of Christ's person, office, and grace: or, "with a salvation of ages", or "worlds" (a):
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I will say, I disagree with John Gill on the portion of his statement I have in red. I do believe a remnant of jews will be saved in the Israel of God, along with remnants of other races of people !

However, be that as it may, Salvation is only promised to some out of the entirety of mankind, and that some is called Israel , a Elect People from all nations !
 
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Crucible

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1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
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That means simply that God is appeased and refrains from judging the whole world. Once He has drawn His elect, He's going to destroy everyone else.
It's like you all think the whole flow of biblical interpretation must halt at your cherry picks :rolleyes:
 
Jerry Shugart

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beloved57 said:
Another popular Myth in the religious world today, is the Jesus Christ died or gave His Life for everyone in the world without exception, but the problem with that, is there is not one shred of scripture evidence that states that.
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What does your Bible say at this verse from the KJV?:

" But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Heb.2:9).​
 
beloved57

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Jerry Shugart said:
What does your Bible say at this verse from the KJV?:

" But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Heb.2:9).​
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He died for everyone He died for. And again, those Christ died for are reconciled to God by His Death while they are enemies Rom 5:10, and the reconciled shall be saved by His life. Now does that apply to all without exception? No! So Christ didn't die for all without exception!
 
beloved57

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Another scriptural reason why Christ did not die for all men without exception, its because those He died for, He Lived for, and fulfilled the Law for them, obeyed it for them Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


And so they are declared Righteous before God. Now all men God doesnt declare righteous, since the unrighteous will be excluded from the eternal kingdom 1 Cor 6:9

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Now if Christ had died for them, God could not declare them unrighteous !
 
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Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Another scriptural reason why Christ did not die for all men without exception, its because those He died for, He Lived for, and fulfilled the Law for them, obeyed it for them Rom 5:19

[FONT="]For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,[B] so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


[/B]And so they are declared Righteous before God. Now all men God doesnt declare righteous, since the unrighteous will be excluded from the eternal kingdom 1 Cor 6:9

[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Now if Christ had died for them, God could not declare them unrighteous ![/FONT]
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Exactly! All of the men Jesus Christ died for have been made Righteous by imputation of His Righteousness to them, and their sins imputed to Him Rom. 4:7-8.

2 Cor. 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

These are the same ones whom at some point in their lifetime, the Holy Spirit, through New Birth, shall reveal their Righteousness to them through the Gospel.

Rom. 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

John 16:14
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


So, in the Day of Judgment there will be two groups of people: Those whom Christ has made Righteous (the Sheep) Mat. 25:32-34, and those who remain Unjust, those whom Christ did not die for (the goats) Mat. 25:41!

These scriptures clearly illustrate that Jesus Christ did not die for all men without exception!
 
beloved57

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Nanja said:
Exactly! All of the men Jesus Christ died for have been made Righteous by imputation of His Righteousness to them, and their sins imputed to Him Rom. 4:7-8.

2 Cor. 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

These are the same ones whom at some point in their lifetime, the Holy Spirit, through New Birth, shall reveal their Righteousness to them through the Gospel.

Rom. 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

John 16:14
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


So, in the Day of Judgment there will be two groups of people: Those whom Christ has made Righteous (the Sheep) Mat. 25:32-34, and those who remain Unjust, those whom Christ did not die for (the goats) Mat. 25:41!

These scriptures clearly illustrate that Jesus Christ did not die for all men without exception!
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Amen Sister! See Christ's practical and active Law obedience, for He was made under the law Gal 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

It wasn't as a private person, but as Surety Head for whom He represents, and they are made righteous in perfect law keeping obedience in God's sight.
 
beloved57

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Another scriptural reason why Christ did not die for all men without exception, its because those He died for, are dead to the Law Rom 7:4

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Now lets answer to questions here. What does it mean to be dead to the Law ? It means to be dead to its condemnation, curse and punishment. Thats because Christ has alreay bore those things in behalf of them He died for. Secondly, how did these believers become dead to the Law ? Was it by their believing ? Nope, was it by their repenting ? Nope, was it because they called upon the name of the Lord ? Nope, it was by the Body of Christ, which simply means by His death.

Now are all men without exception dead to the Law ? No, many will perish in their sins, sins against Gods law. Those Jesus shall say this to Matt 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Its the broken law which causes them to be cursed ! Deut 27:26; Eph 5:5-6

For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
 
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Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Amen Sister! See Christ's practical and active Law obedience, for He was made under the law Gal 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

It wasn't as a private person, but as Surety Head for whom He represents, and they are made righteous in perfect law keeping obedience in God's sight.
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Amen Brother! And as Surety Head, Christ Obeyed all the Commandments perfectly on behalf of His Body Chosen in Union with Him before the foundation. Even the First and greatest of them:

Mat. 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

So for all those Christ was Surety for, He kept all the Commandments perfectly for them including that one Mat. 19:16-17. Hence, He has obtained Eternal Life for US!
 
beloved57

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Nanja said:
Amen Brother! And as Surety Head, Christ Obeyed all the Commandments perfectly on behalf of His Body Chosen in Union with Him before the foundation. Even the First and greatest of them:

Mat. 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

So for all those Christ was Surety for, He kept all the Commandments perfectly for them including that one Mat. 19:16-17. Hence, He has obtained Eternal Life for US!
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Excellent summation, may God be with you !
 
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