so when someone is executed do they cease to exist everywhere ?
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Luk 16:22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,
Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
This is in a parable, not a description of the condition of hell after the final judgment. Whenever the Bible decribes the fate of the wicked it uses the language of complete destruction. When God destroys the wicked, the Bible says "The wicked will be no more". (Psalm 37:10) When someone is NO MORE, they do not continue to exist as if they were not NO MORE.
if you don't exist you can't be punished.
You keep repeating the same rejected arguments. An existing person can be punished by having their existence removed forever. That is an eternal punishment. The effect of the punishment lasts forever. If FOREVER isn't ETERNAL, then Nothing is!
Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
The Book of Revelation is a book of symbolism. It is unwise to take a passage from it and use it to overturn all of the rest of scripture. Even of you were to take this symbolic passage completely literally (and ignore the rest of scripture) it doesn't say that PEOPLE will go to hell where they will be tormented forever. Read it again. It says the devil, the beast (which has seven heads and tens horns!!!), and the false prophet. NOT every human who has ever lived.
you only have one definition of death
which is why it is Illegitimate Totality Transfer
You are forgetting to look at the context to determine the meaning of apoletai (perish). Since perish (apoletai) is contrasted with HAVING ETERNAL LIFE, you should be able to see that apoletai really does mean "to perish", to NOT have eternal life. Also, you are arguing that apoletai doesn't really mean "to perish", but EVERY Greek Language expert who has ever translated the Bible has translated "apoletai" as "perish" in John 3:16. Are you seriously suggesting that EVERY Bible translation has gotten the translation of John 3:16 wrong, and only YOU know how John 3:16 should be translated? Are you also suggesting that you first read John 3:16 and believed it when it said that those who reject the Son will perish, but then after an extensive study of the Greek Language in John 3:16, you rejected the translation and came to the conclusion that the unrepentant will live forever in torment? I don't believe that. I think it is much more likely that you are grasping at anything you can just to hold onto the doctrine that you want to believe. Reading your doctrine INTO scripture is called "eisegesis" and it is not the proper way to understand scripture. A doctrine should be derive out of a careful study of scripture, not the other way around.
death as a place, death as a condition but you can't read it that way :
Isa 14:9 The place of death is excited that you are coming. Sheol is waking the spirits of all the leaders of the earth for you. Sheol is making the kings stand up from their thrones to meet you.
Isa 14:10 They will make fun of you, saying, "Now you are as dead as we are. Now you are just like us."
You REALLY need to look at the context of the prooftexts you throw up.
The verse immediately before your excised passage says "The cypresses rejoice at you, the cedars of Lebanon, saying...", so your passage attempting to "prove" that death is a place where dead people are alive also "proves" that trees can talk. Bring me a talking tree, and then you will have proven that death is a place and not the condition of no longer being alive. And it isn't JUST talking trees that proves you wrong. Isaiah 14:4 says "you will take up this TAUNT against the King of Babylon". So is Isaiah 14:9-10 a travel description of Hell? No, it is part of a taunt against the King of Babylon. Context is key, and you are ignoring the context in your rush to find ANY evidence for your doctrine. Eisegesis, again.
Returning to Context, the next verse following your excised prooftext says "maggots are laid as a bed beneath you, and worms are your covers". Is it more likely that this describes a dead corpse lying in a grave, or a living soul being tortured alive? Your prooftexts are sloppy. You are just looking for any excuse to believe the doctrine that you want to believe. It's sad.
