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Jesus died for the sins of the world, then, past, future; but, no one, gets that grace, that mercy, that forgiveness, unless, you, obey Jesus and repent of your sins.
How the Gospel Interprets the Bible
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Jesus died for the sins of the world, then, past, future; but, no one, gets that grace, that mercy, that forgiveness, unless, you, obey Jesus and repent of your sins.
The fact that it was inevitable that Jesus’ original gospel would be rejected by the world and even his own people, does not mean that we were supposed to kill Jesus as a human sacrifice! The theory of the atonement, by default, has Jesus just pretending to try to bring the Jews into what would have been his pre-cross gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Eventually the original gospel will subdue the world and will be preached from Jerusalem as well as the whole of the earth!
Eventually the original gospel will subdue the world and will be preached from Jerusalem as well as the whole of the earth!
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You are wrong going against the Old Testament and the Law as given to Moses from GOD.
There was no pretending, as you say.
Jesus is the Lamb of God and all the Law and the Prophets were about Jesus.
They were prophecies about what was coming, and a teaching tool, a shadow.
The “good news” gospel that the Jews were offended by wasn’t the cross.
The “good news” gospel that the apostles preached with Jesus all around Israel wasn’t the cross.
The gospel of the cross appeared AFTER Jesus left. The original gospel of the Kingdom, salvation by faith and the responsibility that comes with it isn’t the gospel that is being taught today.
The “good news” gospel that the apostles preached with Jesus all around Israel wasn’t the cross.
The gospel of the cross appeared AFTER Jesus left. The original gospel of the Kingdom, salvation by faith and the responsibility that comes with it isn’t the gospel that is being taught today.
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John the baptizer proclaimed that Jesus was the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. The Jews know what happened to lambs.
Jesus preached to have FAITH IN HIM.
Jesus preached that he forgives sins.
You should stop fighting the truth.
Accepting the original gospel of salvation by faith, "takes away the sin of the world". His willingness to come down from the glory of heaven, live the difficult human path was a "sacrifice".
You should stop ignoring the fact that Jesus taught his gospel before the cross, he had hoped the Jews would receive it, they didn't. Rejecting and killing Jesus became the new gospel as it was understood through Pagan minds.
The only thing Jesus said about the cross was that it was proof of his authority to teach his gospel which many religious people hated.
Jesus will continue to preach his original gospel to those open minded, and open hearted enough to receive it. It will eventually win. Primitive Christianity will fade away.
You should stop ignoring the fact that Jesus taught his gospel before the cross, he had hoped the Jews would receive it, they didn't. Rejecting and killing Jesus became the new gospel as it was understood through Pagan minds.
The only thing Jesus said about the cross was that it was proof of his authority to teach his gospel which many religious people hated.
Jesus will continue to preach his original gospel to those open minded, and open hearted enough to receive it. It will eventually win. Primitive Christianity will fade away.
You're a member of a UFO Cult that rejects the God of the Bible. The Urantia Book that you go by is a fraud.
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The Jews used to have to sacrifice animals twice a day by the priest and people individually brought animal sacrifices. That was God's commands. Jesus came to earth knowing he would be the Sacrificial Lamb of God.
The Jews were not pagans. The Jews atoned for their sins the way God told them to when He gave Moses the Law.
The old Law was NOT based on faith. It is why God did not like it when the people would sin, do a righteous act of giving a sin offering, but not really be sorry for their sins. God said a New Covenant was coming where He would atone for the people's sins, those He choose.
When Jesus came to earth, God cut off and hardened the Jews who did NOT already belong to Him by faith. God was making a New Covenant that was based on faith, surely He is not going to cut off those who already have faith. Those Jews who already had faith were already saved, but they needed to repent of their sins; they were God's people and now they had to go through Jesus to remain the Father's.
The Jews who did not have faith in God but were merely enforcing the Law and cleaning themselves by doing the purification works...they were cut off and hardened when Jesus came. After Jesus was killed/sacrificed, then all could come to him to be saved, Gentiles and even the cut off and once hardened Jews.
There were many Jews though who could not accept that Jesus' blood washes away their sins and they wanted to keep cleaning themselves the way God in the Old Testament told them to do it.
Jesus came first for those who already belonged to God by faith, they were God's and He gave them to Jesus. They now had to go through Jesus. Jesus said he would not lose one that God gave him.
What?
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.
People such as yourself who think they are too intelligent for the Truth start to make up their own truth; which is really no truth at all.
To live according to the law is to be under the law, just like the Pharisees.
The law cannot justify, nor can it redeem. The purpose of the law is to judge and condemn.
This is why Paul said to be under the law is a curse, Galatians 3:10.
If you want to be saved you will have to be found "In Christ" To be found in Christ means that you are trusting in his righteousness and in his atonement for your sins. It is an abandonment of your works and your obedience and a trust and rest in Christ works and his obedience, Hebrews 4:10.
lifeisgood
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No one gets that grace, that mercy, that forgiveness, unless you BELIEVE the one who purchased that grace, that mercy, that forgiveness in your stead.
Your obedience TO BE SAVED is like filthy rags.
popsthebuilder
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So we are to ignore the law of the Spirit? And the comforter? Is it just false security or is it the guidance of GOD that we are to follow because we believe?
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The "Law of the Spirit" is the Gospel. In the Gospel we are perfect and complete in Jesus Christ, Colossians 2:10 also Hebrews 2:10.
The comforter is the Holy Spirit who is the Christians guide and teacher, John 16:13.
Christians are no longer subject to the law because it has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15.
Like you tell others to "ignore" Genesis-John, Pate?
You wicked devil child:
As asked, demon, over 20 times:
What would you say, POPE Pate, to someone that asserts:
"I do not need the law, rules. The Holy Spirit teaches me, and replaces the law.The Holy Spirit teaches me that having multiple wives, smoking pot, getting drunk,suicide bombings, bombing abortion clinics is OK, and not a sin."
He has not, will not, ouch that. Watch,as he spams away....nothing.
popsthebuilder
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Thank you.
What does IT guide us towards and are we expected to follow as faithful believers or be heedless as heathens?
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All that have received Christ as their savior are indwelt with the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit working in the life of the believer that will produce the Christian life and good works, Ephesians 2:10. The Holy Spirit will also draw us to Christ and will reveal the Gospel to us, John 16:13.
popsthebuilder
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So we are to follow the direction of the Holy Spirit....the law of the Spirit?
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1Mind1Spirit
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Specially since it agrees with heliocentrism.:crackup:
1Mind1Spirit
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The Holy Spirit don't cut corners.