ECT How can there be a another Gospel based on Gal. 1:22 ? The faith Paul once destroy ?

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Right Divider;5022013]As PJ mentioned the words FAITH and GOSPEL are NOT synonymous.
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SO what or who else can YOU place YOUR faith in and receive salvation ? Your point is nothing but an excuse to ignore the CONTEXT of scripture.


Rom 1:17 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:17) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
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Faith in what and WHO RD ? Faith is not an open ended offer from God faith is only effective if it is placed in Jesus NOT in MADism or yourself.

There is more than one faith.
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NOPE, there is ONLY one faith that can save anyone from hell ! Faith in anyone except Jesus and His finished work as payment for salvation will land those that place their faith anywhere else in hell.

This ALL REVELATION includes things that God first revealed DIRECTLY to Paul by the RISEN LORD Jesus Christ. Paul declares that some things that he preached were KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN, but were NOW revealed.
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Scripture plainly and clearly says that Paul preached the faith he once sought to destroy, which PROVES MAD is a man made lie.

Your favorite LIE for the millionth time.
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That can only mean you believe scripture is a lie. It is not I that has to change the context of the vast majority of scripture to stay in lies and deceptions as do MADist.

Are you gunning to the be the #1 "Christian" liar?
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You believing the scripture is a lie leaves you little to debate with !

MAD has to ignore the meaning of scripture and teach others to do the same or MAD would cease to exist.
 
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Interplanner said:
re "faith to faith"
Just to clarify, it would not mean faiths in the modern sense of whole religions (C'ity, Judaism, Buddhism).

My understanding is that it is part of the inclusiveness he is trying to communicate: from one person's faith to another's. Their persona may differ but the Gospel is still the power that justifies from sins.
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Yes, we all know that you and many others here think that "gospel" can only refer to forgiveness of sins.
 
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Romans 3:30 KJV

since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.

dodgeball:Since I, the dodger/evader, do not study the details of the book, a book of details, "by" faith says the same thing as "through" faith, and all you meanie MAD wackos are in error, spreading lies, and are taking the bible "out of context!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"......Wa, Wa, Wa,......Kicking feet....tantrum...."It all says the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
 
Jerry Shugart

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dodge said:
Scripture says clearly and plainly that Paul preached the "faith" he once sought to destroy. That means YOUR ilk has bought into a lie.
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Scripture also reveals that Paul had a ministry to both the children of Israel and the Gentiles (Acts 9;15).

The faith which He once sought to destroy was the same one which the Twelve preached at Luke 9:6, a gospel which said nothing about the death of the Lord Jesus. Here we see Paul preaching that gospel to the Jews:

"And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God...proving that this is the very Christ" (Acts 9:20,22).​

You have been shown the truth about the gospel which the Twelve preached at Luke 9:6 but for some reason you cannot even understand these simple things.
 
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dodge said:
Showing yet again YOU have no understanding of what "the GOSPEL" is or means !
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As asked, for months: Explain the content of the good news/gospel Judas preached, as he "followed Jesus" for almost 3 years. Go ahead-specifics.


You will not.
 
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Right Divider said:
So you believe that the gospel preached in Luke 9:6 included the DBR?

You are a religious zealot without a clue.
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Yes, dodgeball. Answer RD's question, void of your "out of context...lies...." emotional mumblings,mutterings.... pat cliches. Specifics.
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
Scripture also reveals that Paul had a ministry to both the children of Israel and the Gentiles (Acts 9;15).

The faith which He once sought to destroy was the same one which the Twelve preached at Luke 9:6, a gospel which said nothing about the death of the Lord Jesus. Here we see Paul preaching that gospel to the Jews:

"And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God...proving that this is the very Christ" (Acts 9:20,22).​

You have been shown the truth about the gospel which the Twelve preached at Luke 9:6 but for some reason you cannot even understand these simple things.
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Jerry, why is it the obvious is NOT so obvious to MADist ?

Scripture does not have the kind of muddiness and misdirection that Madist are bent on advocating.

Scripture says Paul preached the SAME faith he once sought to destroy. You dance around the context to force the scriptures into MAD when they clearly do NOT support nor teach MAD. There is no truth in changing the meaning of scriptures to support MAD, and it is clearly NOT of God and denies the obvious teachings of scripture.

YOU do understand that the things that are the same are the same. So now along come MADist who have to change the context of the scriptures to stay in their errors and deception.

Changing the one gospel and the one message and purpose of Jesus is why MAD exists, and teaches the error they believe and follow.

What I do understand is MADist cannot accept the context of scriptures as they are written.
 
Jerry Shugart

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dodge said:
Jerry, why is it the obvious is NOT so obvious to MADist ?
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It is you who closes your eyes to the obvious. When the Twelve preached a gospel at Luke 9:6 there was nothing said about the Lord Jesus' death upon the Cross. That was the only "faith" being preached at that time.

And Paul sought to destroy that faith, the only faith at that time. And then later Paul preached that same faith to the Jews! Then later he began to preach another gospel.

This is so simple but since your Spiritual IQ is ZERO it is above you understanding.
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
It is you who closes your eyes to the obvious. When the Twelve preached a gospel at Luke 9:6 there was nothing said about the Lord Jesus' death upon the Cross. That was the only "faith" being preached at that time.

And Paul sought to destroy that faith, the only faith at that time. And then later Paul preached that same faith to the Jews! Then later he began to preach another gospel.

This is so simple but since your Spiritual IQ is ZERO it is above you understanding.
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Jerry Shugart said:
It is you who closes your eyes to the obvious. When the Twelve preached a gospel at Luke 9:6 there was nothing said about the Lord Jesus' death upon the Cross. that was the only "faith" being preached at that time.

And Paul sought to destroy that faith, the only faith at that time. And then later Paul preached that same faith to the Jews! then later he began to preach another gospel.

This is so simple but since your Spiritual IQ is ZERO it is above you understanding.
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your problem is you are following another gospel created by men who like yourself ignore the context of scripture to promote that which scripture does not teach.

You must create another gospel to deny the context and truth of scripture, which scripture does NOT support nor teach.

FAITH is what one places in JESUS no matter if you accept that saving message or not, and those in MAD who purposely separate faith from faith do the cause of God a great disservice and dishonor the truth of God and God HIMSELF.
 
Jerry Shugart

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dodge said:
your problem is you are following another gospel created by men who like yourself ignore the context of scripture to promote that which scripture does not teach.
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it is you who denies the fact that the gospel which the twelve preached at Luke 9:6 was not the same gospel which Paul preached to the Gentiles (1 Cor.15:1-4).

dodge said:
You must create another gospel to deny the context and truth of scripture, which scripture does NOT support nor teach.
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It's time for you to put up or shut up! Since you consider yourself an expert about the "good news" of Christ then tell us what the Twelve were preaching at Luke 9:6.
 
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Jerry Shugart;5022090]it is you who denies the fact that the gospel which the twelve preached at Luke 9:6 was not the same gospel which Paul preached to the Gentiles (1 Cor.15:1-4)
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IT IS THE "SAME" GOSPEL and I am truly sorry that your spiritual blindness keeps you from being able to understand and accept the truth.

It's time for you to put up or shut up! Since you consider yourself an expert about the "good news" of Christ then tell us what the Twelve were preaching at Luke 9:6.
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Jerry, I place zero emphasis on men with letters behind their names. Experts who place importance on what other men believe and think does NOT mean they are in harmony with scripture.

I posted a simple verse that said Paul persecuted the faith he once sought to destroy, and the dancing and misdirection has simply been amazing how MADist cannot or will not believe what they read and see unless they can FORCE it into MAD.

The scriptures PROVE you are wrong Jerry, and that is your loss not mine.

Paul could not have sought to destroy the faith which existed before he was even saved if they were different. It is called common sense and believing what scripture says, which obviously MADist cannot
 
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Right Divider said:
So you believe that the gospel preached in Luke 9:6 included the DBR?

You are a religious zealot without a clue.
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I understand that YOU do not understand what the Gospel is !

v 14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

There has and will always be only one gospel as the word pertains to salvation, and your lack of faith and blindness does NOT change the eternal truths of God.
 
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Danoh said:
Prove he is wrong.
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Hi Danoh and suh stop using the word , prove him wrong !!

In Gal 1:23 it reads , Bjut they were HEARING that the one once PERSECUTING US is now preaching the gospel of the FAITH which one he was DESTROYING !!

Here is the FAKE NEWS and Rumors said about Paul !!

In Acts 8:1-5 WHO Paul was persecuting , were to those who were preachin the CHRIST / MESSIAH !!

The first verb is THEY HAD is in the IMPERFECT TENSE and this means the remour started and then STOPPED !!

Another Greek word HE DESTROYED is also in the Greek IMPERFECT TENSE because Paul was SAVED in Acts 9:6 and BECAME the Pattern of a New Massage of the MYSTERY , Rom 16:25 and 26 and Col 1:25 and 26 !!

We also see that Paul preached against the Law of Moses in Acts 21:21 !!

Here in Gal 2:18 has these words for the ANTI-PAUL people !!

It reads , For since what things I torn down , These things I REBUILD AGAIN , I prove myself a TRANSGRESSOR , and this means Paul was not saved under Kingdom Preaching BUT SAVED BY GRACE and could Never go back to teaching the Law of Moses !!

dan p
 
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Danoh said:
No passage stands alone, Isaiah 8:20; Matt. 4:4; 2 Tim. 3:16-17; and your ignoring of that is not going to change it's fact.

All you are doing is reading what you think that passage is saying INTO it.

Fact is, you are doing what you accuse the MADist, so called or otherwise, of doing - of basing a thing on reading INTO ONE passage.

You are nowhere even near qualified to comment on these issues.

You think you are.

As I pointed out before, you do not appear to be aware of Bible study principles.

Result being that you remain oblivious to your violating them, as you splash around in your obviously ill-informed hunches as "the Spirit's" supposed "leading" :chuckle:
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Why would Jesus preach the gospel to those in Hell if it is not the one and only gospel that saves?
 
Jerry Shugart

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dodge said:
.IT IS THE "SAME" GOSPEL and I am truly sorry that your spiritual blindness keeps you from being able to understand and accept the truth.
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The heart and soul of the gospel Paul preached to the Gentiles is the fact that Christ died for our sins (Cor.15:1-4).

At the time when the Twelve preached a gospel at Luke 9:6 they didn't even know that the Lord Jesus was going to die (Lk.18:33-34).

But you say that both were the same gospel.

You are a first class moron!
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
The heart and soul of the gospel Paul preached to the Gentiles is the fact that Christ died for our sins91 Cor.15:1-4).

At the time when the Twelve preached a gospel at Luke 9:6 they didn't even know that the Lord Jesus was going to die (Lk.18:33-34).

But you say that both were the same gospel.

You are a first class moron!
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But you don't answer questions Jerry. You can't read Jn 1 and not know Christ was going to sacrifice himself for sin.
 
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