ECT There is one Gospel/salvation, Heb 2:3

SaulToPaul 2

SaulToPaul 2

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Daniel 8
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
 
dodge

dodge

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heir said:
Made up, as usual.
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YOU can slice and dice Jesus up and remove Him from His own Gospel but I am not going down that rabbit hole with you !

Jesus was, is, and will always be the first to live, teach, be the sacrifice for , center of, and only one worthy to trust, and follow for salvation.

You have been deceived into "another gospel" as Paul taught.

So based on MAD all of the other Apostles are accursed for preaching "another gospel" ?

I follow Jesus as Paul taught ! How exactly are you following Jesus if you have been taught Jesus was for Israel and Paul for the gentiles ?

If Jesus', and there are many , universal teachings are not for you I would believe you have no part in Christ Jesus! It is stated once or twice that Jesus was sent to Israel which He was to fulfill God's plan;however, Israel was set aside and the gospel was opened to "all" that would place their faith in Him. So now do those in Christ IGNORE His teachings as MAD teaches and believes or do those seeking to do as even Paul teaches follow Jesus or ignore Him and follow Paul. Double speak much ?


Even the other Apostles are caught up in the lies of MAD. Claiming only Paul taught the gospel of grace and no other Apostle taught the " mystery" is a provable lie from scripture !

“3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.” (1 Peter 1 KJ)

In what Peter said in the following verses you have :

1. The D.B.R.
2. Salvation
3. Salvation by faith in Jesus.

MAD is a lie !
 
john w

john w

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dodge said:
YOU can slice and dice Jesus up and remove Him from His own Gospel but I am not going down that rabbit hole with you !

Jesus was, is, and will always be the first to live, teach, be the sacrifice for , center of, and only one worthy to trust, and follow for salvation.

You have been deceived into "another gospel" as Paul taught.

So based on MAD all of the other Apostles are accursed for preaching "another gospel" ?

I follow Jesus as Paul taught ! How exactly are you following Jesus if you have been taught Jesus was for Israel and Paul for the gentiles ?

If Jesus', and there are many , universal teachings are not for you I would believe you have no part in Christ Jesus! It is stated once or twice that Jesus was sent to Israel which He was to fulfill God's plan;however, Israel was set aside and the gospel was opened to "all" that would place their faith in Him. So now do those in Christ IGNORE His teachings as MAD teaches and believes or do those seeking to do as even Paul teaches follow Jesus or ignore Him and follow Paul. Double speak much ?


Even the other Apostles are caught up in the lies of MAD. Claiming only Paul taught the gospel of grace and no other Apostle taught the " mystery" is a provable lie from scripture !

“3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.” (1 Peter 1 KJ)

In what Peter said in the following verses you have :

1. The D.B.R.
2. Salvation
3. Salvation by faith in Jesus.

MAD is a lie !
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Can one be saved, if they deny the resurrection?

Asked over 15 times-not a peep.
 
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DAN P

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dodge said:
YOU can slice and dice Jesus up and remove Him from His own Gospel but I am not going down that rabbit hole with you !

Jesus was, is, and will always be the first to live, teach, be the sacrifice for , center of, and only one worthy to trust, and follow for salvation.

You have been deceived into "another gospel" as Paul taught.

So based on MAD all of the other Apostles are accursed for preaching "another gospel" ?
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Hi and no where does Paul ever say that the 12 apostles are ACCURSED , and you are writing FAKE NEWS !!

Those that ARE ACCURSED are those who say , they are saved by Grace and then REVERT BACK to keeping the Law of MOSES and Gal 5:4 reads , You were RENDERED INACTIVE from Christ , who so ever are being made righreous by the Law , yo have FALLEN FROM GRACE !!\\

dan p
 
john w

john w

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dodge said:
“3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.” (1 Peter 1 KJ)

In what Peter said in the following verses you have :

1. The D.B.R.
2. Salvation
3. Salvation by faith in Jesus.

MAD is a lie !
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Can one be saved, if they deny the resurrection?

When was Peter saved?

Tick....tick....

Show us Peter preaching the D.B.R., in Matthew-John, prior to the historic fulfillment of the D. B. R.


Show us; show us your biblical skill. Should be a piece of cake, you being the standard bearer for "real Christianity," in contrast to the "lies of MAD."

Wed will wait....for an eternity.
 
Jerry Shugart

Jerry Shugart

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dodge said:
In what Peter said in the following verses you have :

1. The D.B.R.
2. Salvation
3. Salvation by faith in Jesus.
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Why did you leave out the heart and soul of the gospel of grace? Why did you not say anything about the fact that Christ died for our sins? Do you not even understand that believers are "justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus"? (Ro.3:24).

Evidently you think that it isn't even worth mentioning that the believer is redeemed by the blood of the Lamb (1 Pet.1;18-19).
 
God's Truth

God's Truth

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Interplanner said:
You just made everything every Jew at the time ever said to be inspired, sancrosanct, unquestionable. Jesus came and CORRECTED them.
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Pay better attention. I have told you that there were many Jews who were CUT OFF.

Jesus came and gave new commands that were NOT from the old law.

Why don't you try to be more careful when you accuse someone?
 
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Interplanner

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God's Truth said:
Pay better attention. I have told you that there were many Jews who were CUT OFF.

Jesus came and gave new commands that were NOT from the old law.

Why don't you try to be more careful when you accuse someone?
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bc many people in the club quote this line over and over and over. It was the bias of the Jews and he was there partly to correct it. The way people quote it, everything a Jew says at the time is to be taken as inspired and worthwhile.
 
God's Truth

God's Truth

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Interplanner said:
bc many people in the club quote this line over and over and over. It was the bias of the Jews and he was there partly to correct it. The way people quote it, everything a Jew says at the time is to be taken as inspired and worthwhile.
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Then what you said to me is from your own bias.
 
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Interplanner

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God's Truth said:
What prejudice? You need to explain yourself better. Jesus called people dogs. Not all Jews were God's children so your comment is without any warrant.
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The non-Jewish woman knew they were called dogs, but I don't see where Jesus validated that for his whole ministry; he was trying to see if she was solid enough to fight for her share. Good for her, she did!


The reason for working with the lost sheep was not to end all work with the lost sheep. It was the same as addressed by Paul in Rom 11: to inspire, prod, provoke Israel to be missionaries to all nations. Starting with his countrymen. It is not about monarchy, it is not about exclusivity.

At Samaria, he said the time is coming AND NOW IS when people will not worship God there nor here but in the Spirit and in truth.
 
God's Truth

God's Truth

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Interplanner said:
The non-Jewish woman knew they were called dogs, but I don't see where Jesus validated that for his whole ministry; he was trying to see if she was solid enough to fight for her share. Good for her, she did!
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Jesus said not to go to anyone but the lost sheep of Israel.
The dogs were the people who did not obey God, for those who obey God are known by God.

Interplanner said:
The reason for working with the lost sheep was not to end all work with the lost sheep.
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Why would you say that? Where do you get that Jesus went to the lost sheep to end all work with the lost sheep?
Interplanner said:
It was the same as addressed by Paul in Rom 11: to inspire, prod, provoke Israel to be missionaries to all nations. Starting with his countrymen. It is not about monarchy, it is not about exclusivity.
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Jesus came first for the Jews who already belonged to God by faith, the rest of the Jews were cut off. The old law was not based on faith, but God was going to make a New Covenant that was based on faith. Jesus came first for those who waited for him. Then when he was crucified, then all could come to him to be saved.
Interplanner said:
At Samaria, he said the time is coming AND NOW IS when people will not worship God there nor here but in the Spirit and in truth.
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That is right, but first to the lost sheep of Israel.
 
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Danoh

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SaulToPaul said:
Daniel 8
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
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Never mind, bro.

Thanks, all the same.

:)
 
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Interplanner

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God's Truth said:
Jesus said not to go to anyone but the lost sheep of Israel.
The dogs were the people who did not obey God, for those who obey God are known by God.


Why would you say that? Where do you get that Jesus went to the lost sheep to end all work with the lost sheep?

Jesus came first for the Jews who already belonged to God by faith, the rest of the Jews were cut off. The old law was not based on faith, but God was going to make a New Covenant that was based on faith. Jesus came first for those who waited for him. Then when he was crucified, then all could come to him to be saved.

That is right, but first to the lost sheep of Israel.
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The line about the 'end of all work was with the lost sheep' was that I get that impression from the 'club.' That doing anything at all with the gentiles was an afterthought, which they would like to think because of their two disparate systems.
 
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Danoh

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SaulToPaul said:
Through the rise of Israel, only. The LORD Jesus Christ knew and believed the prophets.
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Yep.

And IP constantly misrepresents what even Acts 2 Dispensationalism holds about that.

One has to wonder why he feels the need to misrepresent the simplest of Dispy views.

Yo - IP - Planter's Peanuts is hiring :chuckle:
 
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