You are leaning on your own understanding of Scripture, which is blinding you to the truth of them.
"Hypocrite, first remove the beam from your own eye, so that you may see clearly to remove the mote from your brother's eye."
The Trinity
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You are leaning on your own understanding of Scripture, which is blinding you to the truth of them.
"Hypocrite, first remove the beam from your own eye, so that you may see clearly to remove the mote from your brother's eye."
Lon
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Not to learn anything from you. I know the reason
No, but lest this become the "Lon/Keypurr" show you should probably get back on topic.
:nono: You have been brainwashed, not me. I know how to think. You are stuck with your limited education. I will not be learning from you today. :wave:
You seem to tote the JW line just fine to me.
Right. I'm on a triune board, you are not. You purposefully want the contention. Me? I think that's a bit mental.
I never understand a cult wanting to hang out with Trinitarian Christians. It is like you live for this contention. Me? I can and will shortly, leave this thread.
Is that what you think? That you are blessing us? Is that what you think? How do I shut this poor thinking down without offense? I can't. I have to tell you it is completely rejected. I have to tell you that you do not, in fact, think better than I do. I have to tell you that I believe much of your theology is not against 'my church' or 'tradition' but blasphemy against scripture. Weird, without your prowess, you think you can teach me something. I've read scriptures more than you, have spent more time studying like a Berean more than you, etc. etc. Yeah, I'm a bit arrogant over another's lack. Is it arrogance or just knowing I'm right? :think:
Sorry to be blunt. I've held back for a couple of posts, trying to get this discussion of the you and me show off of us and about Him and trying to answer with grace. Colossians 4:6 but 1 John 2:26-27
Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates correction is stupid. - Proverbs 12:1 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs12:1&version=NKJV
Keypurr, you are resisting correction from scripture. You are stupid.
Lon
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No, I don't think you ever were, not by study or conviction from study.
Again, without trying to be mean, you don't have the prowess imho. If I try to hold back and be civil and gracious, you think I'm being swayed or am lacking confidence. Bluntly, I'm convinced of what is true and believe your doctrines are blasphemy against scripture and the nature of God.
keypurr
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I have often stated that I am still learning and that anyone who thinks he knows all is only fooling himself.
You call me stupid because I left the Trinity to find truth. Neither you nor Lon have a full view of my thoughts. Yet you call me stupid. My IQ of 134 disagrees with you. And that was when I was 32 years ago.
Follow whom you wish JudgeR, as for me, I believe in the words of Christ that there is only one true God, the Fsther.
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Keypurr, you reject correction from Scripture.
According to Proverbs 12:1, you are stupid.
keypurr
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Not so, I just see it for what it says.
Why do you reject the words of Jesus Christ in John 17:3?
Why do you accept that there is another true God?
Why do you not want to see that Jesus has the same God do?
Time to wake up set the course in your life my friend, Jesus is calling you.
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You don't see it at all, and you rely on your own understanding, instead of relying on what the Bible actually says.
Where have I ever rejected John 17:3?
In fact, just recently I used it to support my position.
Where have I ever said there is more than one God? There is one God, who manifests Himself in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
Keypurr, you're not paying very good attention to the posts in this thread. I have addressed this at least twice. Please, go through and find and read those posts.
Keypurr, I'm not the one who has deadened himself to the teachings of the Bible.
keypurr
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If there is only one true God and that is the Father then there no Trinity. God is not in three pieces JR.
You can not have it both ways. Jesus never claimed to be God. He prayed to his God. Did Jesus lie when he said that there is only one TRUE God?
Traditions were built by men who thought the world was flat. Follow them if you wish. It's not for me, I believe Jesus.
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Lon
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The only time this comes up, however, is during this conversation and you are immovable.
Problem: It assumes the Trinity isn't true. There is no place else to go once you decided that.
On this matter, we do. I have a thread with 340 pages that discuss this topic, most without banter.
For the most part, age isn't a factor, barring a brain injury, abuse, or disease. I don't really have much to say but one time a student told me I was 'stupid.' I responded, "If I am stupid, and my IQ is 50 above yours or more, what does that mean about you?" :think: I think JRightly is saying 'foolish.' The student was questioning my academic prowess.
Can't be, according to Scriptures. That is why I call it blasphemy.
This might be difficult, but with a 134 IQ, you may grasp it. 1) I agree with you that the Lord Jesus Christ has a Father God. 2) I don't assume 'a god' like you do. Rather John 1:1 gives, I believe, the answer to your conundrum: ...was with and was God...
There is no ability to understand with/was unless it comes with an ascent, that somehow both must necessarily be true. JW's literally 'add' a word Matthew 5:18 Revelation 22:19 If I had to do that, I would start writing 'my' ideas into scripture. "a" small as it is, just isn't there. In fact 'the' is the word that is there. T
John 1:1 Was/with God. It is clear.
Not a completed sentence, but I suspect John 1:1 again. John 20:28 as well. I have a thread that is wholly dedicated to the scriptures. Look at it. It isn't for debate, it is simply to consider scriptures. Notice my only contributions are to add scriptures as well as explain why I believe they demand what we believe we demand. Look at that thread. There is no creed, denomination, or tradition discussion that you accuse us of that I remember in those pages. PPS does eventually discuss with us how modern churches have missed the ball on a few counts.
:think: I have a 340 page thread of mostly scriptures. I've had Anti-Trinitarians removed for causing disruption instead of using scripture and discussing so the wading through dross is kept to a minimal. The scripture are about Jesus and using His words. He indeed, is calling. -Lon
"in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
Jesus seems to think so.
And you don't believe that anyways, because you keep adding a fourth person to the group.
He claimed to be the Son of God, WHO IS GOD.
He prayed to His Father, submitting Himself to God the Father. There is no contradiction with, and in fact my position is supported by, Hebrews 1:8, which calls Jesus God.
No. He did not. However, that doesn't mean that there is no Trinity. If you were to argue that from there it would be a non-sequitur.
If you want to talk about flat earth, I suggest you go to DFT_Dave's thread. But don't insult those of faith who believe in the Trinity by associating all of them with those who believe the earth is flat, because that would be dishonest of you.
keypurr
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I am through for the night as I have a ten hour day in the senior van tomorrow. A lot of folks need to go to their doctors.
So I will say good night and I will get back to you both.
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So I will say good night and I will get back to you both.
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Eagles Wings
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May you bring your senior patrons a measure of lightheartedness.
Hi GT.
Could you please post scripture showing the relationship of the Father to the Son and the Son to the Father that distinguishes Their "differences"?
The Holy Spirit would do, as well.
# Please forgive me Steko... I couldn't pass up GT's challenge.
P.s. GT, As soon as I can Pos rep you, I'll throw some your way to turn the other cheek to the neg rep you gave me. Mozel tov
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God's Truth
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Here is another, earlier, and perhaps better, example of this:
The sun had risen upon the earth when Lot entered Zoar. Then the LORD [YHWH] rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the LORD [YHWH] out of the heavens. So He overthrew those cities, all the plain, all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground. - Genesis 19:23-25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis19:23-25&version=NKJV
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Where are you EE? Are you going to answer the question?