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What in the world are you talking about?
Jesus saves us all on his own, and he chooses to save those he saves.
He is the Way and he tells us exactly what we have to do.
Jesus SEPARATE from Jehovah; calls Jehovah "my God."
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What in the world are you talking about?
Jesus saves us all on his own, and he chooses to save those he saves.
He is the Way and he tells us exactly what we have to do.
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Do you know who John the baptizer is and how and why he prepared the way for Jesus?
I understand if you don't scripture check me... but be certain of this... You have JESUS in your heart per so many scriptures it is rediculous. (Gal. 4:6) is my favorite. I'm not sure what you affiliate with "brick and mortar" wise.
I would assume you place scripture and Jesus above all human assemblies of Christ.
Also they received all the truth we need to know the One Church that the Lord said He'd build, from all imposters.
I agree with that.
Why do you neglect the scriptures that teach that the Lord chose to administer His Church with the notion of bishops/elders/overseers?
I am neither wise nor learned, so no problem there.
Scripture testifies explicitly that Church Sacred Tradition is authoritative.
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You might not be wise and learned but you put the wise and learned in the position of God.
You do realize that you just went full Calvinist on atonement there? [MENTION=7209]Ask Mr. Religion[/MENTION] would see it in .000000000001 seconds. Honestly... I wouldn't usually say this... but as adamant as I am about keeping doctrines of men out of it... (Keep your hat on AMR... don't let it get too tight)... At least AMR could add Grace to your understanding.
You could go ahead and add to that U and L that you just referred to. It wouldn't hurt you to get a good dose of the T. Then, maybe you would appreciate the I and the P.
I'm seriously not kidding! Something's got to give!
Yeah! He told us to "repent". Stop trying to bring our rotten flesh and effort into the salvational equation. I.e. Recognize we are ill to pave the way for the GOOD Physician! (Mark 2:17)
Repent (Turn away from any trust in our flesh Joh. 6:63) and believe (Joh. 3:16f; 6:29)
Correct.
No, God puts the bishops in the place of His Church's oversight (episcope), through the Church's sacrament of Holy Orders, instituted by the Lord Jesus and perpetuated forever by the Apostles and by their successors; their successorship being the plan for the Church from the start, and being the primary reason the One Church is Apostolic, as the Apostles Creed professes.
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Study harder, with the measure you use it will be measured to you and more.
Jesus. saves. us. all. on. his. own. and. he. saves. those. who. believe. and. obey. him.
Jesus tells us HOW TO GET SAVED.
He is the Way.
If you do not do what he says to get saved, then you do NOT HAVE THE TRUTH.
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God did not put your 'father' in His place.
Dear, Sweet, non-judgmental, Saint GT,
It's a gift and your trying to pay for it. It's a self replicating gift and you are charging others for it. Please shut up while you read and pray so Jesus can show you THE WAY!
As said before. We only bring belief and recognition that we can't do diddly squat to save ourselves because we all FALL SHORT of THE GLORY of GOD... in Whome I am not even fit to umtie HIS Sandals.
Obey = Believe ... Believe it!! Trust Him! Quit trying to drive for Jesus! Give Him the Steering Wheel!
Hi EE,
You might see that Psalm 110 is actually one of the finest proof-texts showing that God the Father (YHWH) and the Lord (Messiah) are two distinct 'lords',...so there are 2 lords being spoken of here, The divine all-supreme DEITY(YHWH) and his human Messiah-lord, who is the 'lord' or 'master' of the writer.
See: The Two lords
* and before protesting that there cannot be 2 lords,...scripture begs to differ. (even though the English words 'lord' are not even in the original Hebrew, they are only assumed translations/approximations). Even most English Christian bible translations differentiate the divine name(tetragrammaton) as written in uppercase 'LORD' and the 'lord' or 'master' of the psalmist as lower case (Lord or lord), being the Messiah, David's son. (we ought to note that the original Hebrew text is all uppercase).
Only 5 out of the 50 translations on Biblegateway use the proper name of 'Jehovah' or 'Yahweh' here.
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The LORD (captials signifying YHWH) says to my lord(lower case signifying 'adonai'(Messiah) ):
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”
2
The Lord will extend your mighty scepter from Zion, saying,
“Rule in the midst of your enemies!”
3
Your troops will be willing
on your day of battle.
Arrayed in holy splendor,
your young men will come to you
like dew from the morning’s womb.
4
The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”
5
The Lord is at your right hand;
he will crush kings on the day of his wrath.
6
He will judge the nations, heaping up the dead
and crushing the rulers of the whole earth.
7
He will drink from a brook along the way,
and so he will lift his head high.
As you know,....God is ALWAYS distinct from his Messiah, His Messenger, Prophet, Apostle, Lamb, Son, Word, etc. Yet in creation or salvation, in all its various dispensations....of course you cannot separate the Logos from 'God', since it is thru the logos that all creation/salvation is wrought. This view is traditionally upheld in Orthodox Monotheistic (Unitarian) Judaism, understanding emphatically that the Messiah is NOT(ever) God himself. The Messiah-Son of course represents 'God' fully in his preordained and assigned office/role/function....of course,....but most all scriptures ever distinguish God from His Anointed Servant, and logically so (by the fact of relationship). You can still fully 'interpret' or reference the Messiah as being 'God' in the flesh all you like,...this does not change the FACT of difference of persons, and that there are 2 lords spoken of in one the most significant passages in the Bible, referred to by Jesus and his apostles. - seeing 2 lords in no wise threatens Monotheism in any way, because there is only One LORD (YHWH) and the lord-Messiah whom he has ordained and appointed (giving him power and authority to rule).
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Note also,...the Septuagint translation in verse 3 says -
"With thee is dominion in the day of thy power, in the splendours of thy saints: I have begotten thee from the womb before the morning."
Even in this special designation of 'sonship', the Son ever remains distinct from the Father, being BEGOTTEN by the Father, ever subordinate to the Father, who is his supreme Head. The Lord Messiah and high priest after the order of Melchizedek prays that we all abide together with God and he as one, one in mind, will, purpose, united in Spirit (John 17). A ture monotheist unitarian view here is an appropriate, logical, formal and orthodox interpretation of the text here, true to Davidic Theology.
Not to split hairs, since no Orthodox Jew or Unitarian Christian is making any claims with this verse or others, that Jesus is YHWH. - the claim is unnecessary, since as lovers of the lord Jesus, we acknowledge he is the Son of God, God's Messenger-Prophet, His Anointed One.
I don't see how there is any other way to interpret this and other messianic scriptures, when God is always distinct, higher, greater than any man (even if you assume God somehow incarnated himself, or produced a co-created god, demi-god, god-man, arch-angel, eon, luminary, etc.) - one can assume an Arian, semi-arian, gnostic, new-age, theosophical view of the 'Christ' here,...its all still 'God', his power, his will...being done thru His Agent(s). - I enjoy a great spectrum of perspectives in Christology,....they all portray Jesus as the AGENT of God. - the rest is semantics (cosmetics).
This awesome passage heralds a traditional Mono-theistic Unitarian Christology. - any assumption or allusion that Jesus is YHWH can only be applied 'representationally', 'figuratively'....since God reveals himself thru and in his Messiah-Son, acting thru His Agent, the one who bears his Name, the Angel of Great Counsel!
Brother Kel below explains this clearly, if any have confusions -
Also Kel's commentary on Psalm 110 here.
Addendum : - this is only brought up for honest exegesis and fairness in translation, plus the use of one's own faculties of reason, logic, intuition, conscience and a spiritual discernment that does no harm or damage to the character or nature of God (YHWH) or His Messiah, who is not only David's Lord, but ours as well,...since God has made this man both Lord and Christ, the man he has raised from the dead. - this doesn't matter if you have a more Unitarian, modalist, Trinitarian or some other Christological view either,...the text and context is PLAIN. - we would also note that for those who choose to focus or assume an importance of affirming that 'God' came in the flesh, - no Christian (at least of a traditional or orthodox stripe) DENIES that Jesus came in the flesh,...the Spirit bears witness to the incarnation. The logos (plan, logic, wisdom, reason, creative word, fiat) of God was manifested (made 'flesh'), meaning God's will, way and wisdom was REVEALED in and thru the physical embodiment of Jesus...of course....no 'christian' of any denomination would deny this, although some might interpret this somewhat differently.
We can split hairs over a lot of things, but this verse when held in the heart, especially the heart of David,...inspires the purest worship of our Father, and His Messiah-Son, who is David's Son! David holds the key!...and more. - also note his tabernacle is being restored in the last days which unites all in the Beloved. True worship returns all to the HEART of YHWH, and David leads the way, God's Prince.
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'God' is ONE.
For some exegetical fun see :
PSALMS 110 – A DIVINE PRIESTLY KING FROM A NEW PRIESTHOOD? NOT! (detailed exegesis by Uri Yosef, PhD)
:thumb: Great post Freelight,
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It is never ever wrong to obey Jesus.
Obeying Jesus is how we enter the Covenant.
Obeying Jesus is how we drink and eat from him.
Obeying Jesus is how we live through the Spirit.
Obeying Jesus is how the Spirit lives through us.
Obeying Jesus is how we are transformed and conformed to his image.
:thumb: Great post Freelight,
Interestingly enough... it only takes the mention of time, Heaven beyond Creation and Creation to explain how the Logos was "With" God and is "God"
Isaiah 45:5 seriously throws a monkey wrench into the poly Theism theory. Perhaps the reading of it insinuates more than you are seeing Daqq. Isaiah 43:11 and the fact that the word Christ is simply Greek for Meshach, Messiah or Savior... brings it all full circle to show that Messiah is not Seperate from YHWH.
But hey! Who cares what the oldest Hebrew manuscript in tact has to say.
Also, 1 Ti. 3:16 and 2 John 1:7 are pretty important to understand. But, I could tamper with scriptures continuity and flow to make it say whatever I want it to say. It's just a book... right?
Spoiler
Jesus is YHWH... the end.
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If I unpack your "obey"... You have The Law hidden in there. You say obey means Law minus ceremonial and cleansing. Are you wearing a poly blend of clothing? Congratulations... you just broke a law in the Mosaic statutes that is outside of cerimonial and cleansing.
Uh Oh... James 2:10...
Better depend on Jesus... ALONE! (Ephesians 2:8)
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There is a new law. Go think about it some more.
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Rotfl... I was looking through the old discussions. We've been here before.
James 2:8 leads right into James 2:10. Could you kindly expound on what James 2:8 means to you, because you go back to the Mosaic Law. Incidentally... the 10 commandments are even written in the Book of the Law... (Deuteronomy 5:1 - Deuteronomy 31:26)
You're not referring to any Mosaic Law... whatsoever?
If only you had listened you would understand Yeshayah 45 and Paul when he quotes from it. And all you have said has already been refuted time and time again. But you have your own preconceived agenda.
Sorry about this... but that's what I suspected...
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I thought you were done denying scripture and the atonement of JESUS who IS YHWH.
Incidentally... who is speaking to Moses in Ex. 33:11 ? Do you count that YHWH?
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