ECT There are dispensations, but not MADs!

Right Divider

Body part
The thing hidden was that it was in the Gospel, true in the Gospel, in Christ, fulfilled that way. It was never hidden that the nations would be blessed.
If that were true, you could prove it by quoting some SCRIPTURE to support it. But you cannot.

2P2P is irrational, which is why it never stays put in a NT passage. Not once. It escapes as quick as it can, like you did today on 2 Cor 5-6.
I understand all of the Bible in its proper context.
You believe a fairy story that you got from somewhere other than the scripture.
You are the irrational and illogical one.
 

Interplanner

Well-known member
When Gen 12 says in your seed all the nations will be blessed, how do you "hide" that, Master RD?

There are a hundred OT texts that seek the blessing of the nations through the Servant or people or righteousness of God.

You butcher whole sections like 2 Cor 3-5 by saying they are not present tense, not for Gentiles and "don't" mention the new covenant or its connecting word 'ministry' (ie ministers of the new covenant). You are a total Bible butcher.

2P2P is a veil and a drug and a brainwashing. It is neo-Judaism.
 

Interplanner

Well-known member
Eph 3:6 does not consider the blessing to the nations (and co-inheritance) to be the mystery. The mystery is the channel: it would happen through the Gospel, not through Judiasm.
 

Danoh

New member
When Gen 12 says in your seed all the nations will be blessed, how do you "hide" that, Master RD?

There are a hundred OT texts that seek the blessing of the nations through the Servant or people or righteousness of God.

You butcher whole sections like 2 Cor 3-5 by saying they are not present tense, not for Gentiles and "don't" mention the new covenant or its connecting word 'ministry' (ie ministers of the new covenant). You are a total Bible butcher.

2P2P is a veil and a drug and a brainwashing. It is neo-Judaism.

So long as we each continue to allow ourselves to conclude that those opposed to our view do so only because they were up to no good whenever they have sat down to study a thing out, we will not only remain blind to the sorts of questions we have obviously failed to discern the need to be asking during our own studies; but we will continue to merit very little respect for our views.

That cuts both ways "Interplanner."
 

patrick jane

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Banned
So long as we each continue to allow ourselves to conclude that those opposed to our view do so only because they were up to no good whenever they have sat down to study a thing out, we will not only remain blind to the sorts of questions we have obviously failed to discern the need to be asking during our own studies; but we will continue to merit very little respect for our views.

That cuts both ways "Interplanner."
Interplanner is the biggest Bible Butcher alive
 

Danoh

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Interplanner is the biggest Bible Butcher alive

A thought...

The thing is to ever be willing to ask yourself "where might I myself be prone to that kind of thing?"

I can't tell you how much I have been able to see just from asking myself that kind of question on a regular basis.

If all you are doing is pointing your finger at someone else: without also pointing it back at yourself, you stand to take much longer in your own understanding of much; if you even arrive at a greater understanding of one thing or another, at all.

Those many great posts you used to post by Justin, ever had that sense of him having asked himself that kind of question on a regular basis.

Not surprisingly, those who every so often expressed their disagreement with his take on various things, have yet to strike me as the kind who ask themselves that kind of question, much...
 

Right Divider

Body part
When Gen 12 says in your seed all the nations will be blessed, how do you "hide" that, Master RD?
That is good news, but it's NOT the gospel of the grace of God. You dummies that think that there is only one "good news" in the Bible are confused by that. You shouldn't be.

Eph 3:9 (KJV)
(3:9) And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Hid in God means that it was not in Genesis.

There are a hundred OT texts that seek the blessing of the nations through the Servant or people or righteousness of God.

You butcher whole sections like 2 Cor 3-5 by saying they are not present tense, not for Gentiles and "don't" mention the new covenant or its connecting word 'ministry' (ie ministers of the new covenant). You are a total Bible butcher.

2P2P is a veil and a drug and a brainwashing. It is neo-Judaism.
You cling to a myth. Good work "grammar scholar".
 

northwye

New member
The type of dialectic, which is carried out within a dialogue, used now in 2017, is the Marxist version of the Greek διαλεκτική, or dialectic, before the time of Christ, and re-invented by Hegel. In the Marxist dialectic, that which is established, absolute or of God is under attack; it becomes the anti-thesis in Marxism. In the Marxist dialectic, the Thesis is often attacked by the anti-thesis, and this attack fits in very well with the original goal of Transformational Marxism to "Abolish Culture," that is, to do away with the dominant culture of the West which is in opposition to the Marxist Left - the Family and Biblical Christianity.

The dialectic is a form of deception and the Marxist version of the Hegelian dialectic has been developed into a belief and attitude change procedure, which infiltrated the major institutions,including the churches, in the 20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis...sis,_synthesis

"Hegel used the "thesis-antithesis-synthesis" idea only once, and he attributed the terminology to Immanuel Kant. The terminology was largely developed by Johann Gottlieb Fichte, also an advocate of the philosophy identified as German idealism. "

"Karl Marx (1818-1883) and Friedrich Engels (1820-1895) adopted and extended the triad, especially in Marx's The Poverty of Philosophy (1847). Here, in Chapter 2, Marx is obsessed by the word "thesis". It can be said to form an important part of the basis for the Marxist theory..."

The Marxist dialectic tends to be dark; it is nasty. A large part of the Marxist dialectic, which you can see now in the conflict between the Leftist media and the Alternative Media, is a constant attempt to discredit and to get the best of those opposing the Left. And these attempts to discredit the opposition to the Left get nasty. The Marxist dialectic is nasty.

Dean Gotcher opened up an understanding about this Marxist form of the dialectic and who, how and when the Marxist dialectic was developed into an attitude and belief changing procedure in America. The Marxist dialectic comes out of the Frankfurt School and out of some of the social engineers or change agents, mostly psychologists and psychiatrists, who never advertised themselves as being Marxists at all.

Dean Gotcher has pointed out that several American change agents followed an ideology similar to that of the Frankfurt School leaders who operated out of our universities. The two best known Frankfurters who were professors at Berkeley and at Brandeis were Theodore W. Adorno and Herbert Marcuse. Gotcher looked at Abraham Maslow, Carl Rogers, Irvin Yalom and Norman O. Brown as the psychology change agents who helped develop the dialectic.

And Gotcher emphasized the role of Kurt Lewin and his Group Dynamics Movement of the forties and fifties in the development of the Marxist dialectic. Kurt Lewin and his student, Leon Festinger, focused on group
cohesiveness and how to increase cohesiveness in small groups. Festinger, Stanley Schachter and Kurt Back, said cohesiveness was “the total field of forces which act on members to
remain in the group." Group cohesiveness as a concept was used in the
Encounter Group Movement of the sixties and seventies because only a cohesive group can exert an
influence upon its individual members. The group facilitator worked to
create cohesiveness and manipulated the group's attitudes and behavior
by use of the dialectic, which he or she also used on targeted
"deviant" individuals in the group. In general, the cohesive group was
used by a facilitator to move individuals with absolute truths and
absolute morality to compromise those absolutes in order to stay in
their relationship to the cohesive group.

After Carl Rogers left the University of Wisconsin for Southern California, he became a major leader of the Encounter Group Movement. The much used term "Facilitator" became part of the Vocabulary of the Marxist dialectic development in the U.S,, though the term "Marxist Dialectic" was never used, and Dean Gotcher is not given much credit for exposing that movement. He is disliked in the Churches, especially in the larger churches.
 

DAN P

Well-known member
The questions were about Eph 3:2. Do you have something to observe about that?


Hi and Eph 3:2 reads , SEEING THAT , you have heard of the DISPENSATION / OIKONOMIA of the Grace of God having been given to me for you !!

#1 , Paul says that did see and heard of the DISPENSATION !!

#2 , Ye have heard is a verb in the AORIST tense and that proves that they did hear about it !!

#3 And nthe secons verb is IS GIVEN , also in the Greek AOTIST TENSE that points back to 1 Cor 9:17 where the Greek word OF NTHE GOSPEL IS COMMITTED UNTO ME is in the Greek PERFECT TENSE and in the PASSIVE VOICE which means that Christ gave the to Paul and since the Greek Mood is akso there , IT IS A FACT !!

Since I believe Paul I am a WINNER !!

There is ONLY one DISPENSATION in the bible and it is Paul that explains the MYSTERY , and not the 12 !!

So , how were you saved under a 1P 1P PROGRAM !

Where do you go when you DIE , care to explain ??

dan p

dan p
 

Danoh

New member
northwye, you prattle on forever about "the dialectic" but never lay out how its' principles, techniques, tactics, and strategies look in real time.

Having personally faced off and completely shutdown my share of Leftists and Commies, you appear to me just one more "books based" windbag.

Spoiler

The type of dialectic, which is carried out within a dialogue, used now in 2017, is the Marxist version of the Greek διαλεκτική, or dialectic, before the time of Christ, and re-invented by Hegel. In the Marxist dialectic, that which is established, absolute or of God is under attack; it becomes the anti-thesis in Marxism. In the Marxist dialectic, the Thesis is often attacked by the anti-thesis, and this attack fits in very well with the original goal of Transformational Marxism to "Abolish Culture," that is, to do away with the dominant culture of the West which is in opposition to the Marxist Left - the Family and Biblical Christianity.

The dialectic is a form of deception and the Marxist version of the Hegelian dialectic has been developed into a belief and attitude change procedure, which infiltrated the major institutions,including the churches, in the 20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis...sis,_synthesis

"Hegel used the "thesis-antithesis-synthesis" idea only once, and he attributed the terminology to Immanuel Kant. The terminology was largely developed by Johann Gottlieb Fichte, also an advocate of the philosophy identified as German idealism. "

"Karl Marx (1818-1883) and Friedrich Engels (1820-1895) adopted and extended the triad, especially in Marx's The Poverty of Philosophy (1847). Here, in Chapter 2, Marx is obsessed by the word "thesis". It can be said to form an important part of the basis for the Marxist theory..."

The Marxist dialectic tends to be dark; it is nasty. A large part of the Marxist dialectic, which you can see now in the conflict between the Leftist media and the Alternative Media, is a constant attempt to discredit and to get the best of those opposing the Left. And these attempts to discredit the opposition to the Left get nasty. The Marxist dialectic is nasty.

Dean Gotcher opened up an understanding about this Marxist form of the dialectic and who, how and when the Marxist dialectic was developed into an attitude and belief changing procedure in America. The Marxist dialectic comes out of the Frankfurt School and out of some of the social engineers or change agents, mostly psychologists and psychiatrists, who never advertised themselves as being Marxists at all.

Dean Gotcher has pointed out that several American change agents followed an ideology similar to that of the Frankfurt School leaders who operated out of our universities. The two best known Frankfurters who were professors at Berkeley and at Brandeis were Theodore W. Adorno and Herbert Marcuse. Gotcher looked at Abraham Maslow, Carl Rogers, Irvin Yalom and Norman O. Brown as the psychology change agents who helped develop the dialectic.

And Gotcher emphasized the role of Kurt Lewin and his Group Dynamics Movement of the forties and fifties in the development of the Marxist dialectic. Kurt Lewin and his student, Leon Festinger, focused on group
cohesiveness and how to increase cohesiveness in small groups. Festinger, Stanley Schachter and Kurt Back, said cohesiveness was “the total field of forces which act on members to
remain in the group." Group cohesiveness as a concept was used in the
Encounter Group Movement of the sixties and seventies because only a cohesive group can exert an
influence upon its individual members. The group facilitator worked to
create cohesiveness and manipulated the group's attitudes and behavior
by use of the dialectic, which he or she also used on targeted
"deviant" individuals in the group. In general, the cohesive group was
used by a facilitator to move individuals with absolute truths and
absolute morality to compromise those absolutes in order to stay in
their relationship to the cohesive group.

After Carl Rogers left the University of Wisconsin for Southern California, he became a major leader of the Encounter Group Movement. The much used term "Facilitator" became part of the Vocabulary of the Marxist dialectic development in the U.S,, though the term "Marxist Dialectic" was never used, and Dean Gotcher is not given much credit for exposing that movement. He is disliked in the Churches, especially in the larger churches.
 
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