No Longer A Christian

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firechyld

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I agree with Sozo, and Chileice, on this. Granite, I saw you as a brother in Christ, even if we didn't agree fully on many things. But I see now I was wrong. Your faith was built upon believing what others said, instead of the truth of God. I hope you seek God, and find him.

Lighthouse, don't be a tool. The dude is obviously going through a rough patch. He doesn't need you judging him, or putting him down.

Have some friggin' tact.
 

SOTK

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Re: No Longer A Christian

Originally posted by granite1010

Well, the name of the thread pretty much sums it up.

I no longer consider myself a Christian, a member of the Christian faith, believer in Christ or the Bible.

I came to TOL last year considering myself a born again member of the body of Christ. And it's been a crazy year. Not easy.

I am not sure if I'll stick around at TOL or not. Like any group I know I'll be ignored by some, welcomed by others, after this little announcement. There are lots of people here who've always been decent to me. And I really appreciate it.

Talk to you later.

It am really saddened by this, granite. :cry: I haven't always agreed with you on scripture and some of your points, but you did offer, at times, constuctive views. Please don't leave. I hope you stay around and come back to Christ! That's what He wants.

I feel that deep down, past your confusion and opinion of other Christians, you still know the Truth. Don't let others turn you away from God. Eventhough you and Sozo have had many words, he is right! Listen to what God says! Look to Him! Forget about other's interpretations or religious persuasions.....that stuff just doesn't matter. Look to God!

In Christ,

SOTK
 

BChristianK

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Originally posted by Chileice

Originally posted by granite1010

The abusive/borderline cult church I attended opened my eyes to the personal abuse of Christianity. Subsequently I started to "read the wrong books," as one of my elders put it. History of Christianity, mythology, atrocities of the church (which I'd been vaguely aware of but never really sat down to examine).

Blending Christianity with Roman cults ala Constantine...the obvious similarities between the sun-god myths that Christianity drew on...and the contorted history of the current 66 book canon. Along with the paucity of any archeological evidence whatsoever that virtually anything in the Old Testament really happened.

Just the stuff off the top of my head. [/QUOTE

I guess any Christian worth his/her salt has passed through moments of doubt and has wondered if they might be better off without the faith. But I hope you will realize that Jesus is bigger than all of us who shout things in his name... myself included. I would truly suggest you go out to some lonely place... ALONE, some place where its just you and God, or the void or whatever is out there. Take a couple of hours, long enough to get rid of all the garbage that usually attacks our brains... and listen.

If you still come back convince you are all alone in the universe, you have lost nothing in the journey. But if you come back knowing that Jesus ( not someone or some church's interpretation of him) is real, you have gained back the joy of living. You have gained back something that would be a shame to throw away.

When you are dealing with the realm of the eternal, a few hours invested in an honest heart to heart with what lies beyond is a worthwhile investment. Hope you learn something invaluable.
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STONE

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Granite,
You can fully intellectualize your way to belief in God; CS Lewis some may relate to.
You cannot fully intellectualize your trust in Jesus, for the witness of His word and deed is in the heart.
 

Lovejoy

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Quote: I no longer consider myself a Christian, a member of the Christian faith, believer in Christ or the Bible.

You may not consider yourself a member of the Body, but you still have to deal with what Christ knows you are! If you are His (and He knows the truth) then He will bring you back! I am no believer in predestination, but I am believer in the faithfulness of Jesus. If you served Him when you were strong, He will serve you when you are weak. Just don't harden your heart, hey? Good luck to you.
 

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Would you rahter I let him go about his doubt in Christ, and land in hell? Or should I tell him the truth, that his faith was in the teachings of men, and not in Christ. I am alerting him to the fact that Christ is not simply what men say He is, but rather Christ is Who He says He is. And I am encouraging granite to ind that out for himself, rather than walk away from the idea of Christ because of false ideas of Christ.
 

firechyld

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Would you rahter I let him go about his doubt in Christ, and land in hell? Or should I tell him the truth, that his faith was in the teachings of men, and not in Christ. I am alerting him to the fact that Christ is not simply what men say He is, but rather Christ is Who He says He is. And I am encouraging granite to ind that out for himself, rather than walk away from the idea of Christ because of false ideas of Christ.

Somebody just posted saying that they are turning from Christianity, in part due to the attitudes and actions of other Christians. You respond to this by getting judgemental and dismissive, rather than offering support and reassurance as other posters have.

Do you seriously think you're helping your cause? Or are you just reinforcing the negatives that drive people away in the first place?
 

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Where did I get judgmental? And if telling him to seek the real Christ is dismissive, what would qualify as not being dismissive?
 

firechyld

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Compare what you said to what, say, Lovejoy said. Can you honestly not see the difference?

At any rate, I don't want to hijack this thread. It's about granite, not you or I.
 

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I agree with Lovejoy. I may not have said that, but that doesn't change a thing. The truth is, if granite has walked away from Christ based on other people's presentation of what they believe Christ to be, then granite's faith was neverin Christ to begin with. But I also do not believe that Christ will just dismiss granite. Jesus will continue to go after him, just as the shepherd did, for the one lost sheep, in Jesus' parable. I am encouraging granite to be as the prodigal son, and run to God...
 

firechyld

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I said I wasn't going to keep going with this. But, sure, insist on having the last word.

This argument is pointless, anyway. What matters is how granite interpreted your words. I was just throwing in my $0.02.
 

elohiym

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Re: No Longer A Christian

Originally posted by granite1010

Well, the name of the thread pretty much sums it up.

I no longer consider myself a Christian, a member of the Christian faith, believer in Christ or the Bible.

I came to TOL last year considering myself a born again member of the body of Christ. And it's been a crazy year. Not easy.

I am not sure if I'll stick around at TOL or not. Like any group I know I'll be ignored by some, welcomed by others, after this little announcement. There are lots of people here who've always been decent to me. And I really appreciate it.

Talk to you later.
This too will work to God's glory, although my first reaction was dissapointment.

On the chance that you are still lurking about and reading, I suggest you read a book, The Signature of God by Grant Jefferies (Note, I don't recommend anything else of his, or his Bible prophecy interpretation). It's a good starting place. Then you should check out a little video called The Real Mount Sinai.

Take care,

Steve
 

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"I would truly suggest you go out to some lonely place... ALONE, some place where its just you and God, or the void or whatever is out there. Take a couple of hours, long enough to get rid of all the garbage that usually attacks our brains... and listen."

Been there. Done that. Tried a lot. And the conclusion I'm coming back with is that he may be there...but he is silent.
 

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Originally posted by PureX

Granite,

Religion was always just religion. The difference is that I think you maybe were taught that your religion about God was really god itself, and now you're seeing that it was not God at all, but was really just a religion all along.

I apologize for putting words in your mouth. And I may be completely wrong, but if this is the case I think there is reason to rejoice. The cool thing about letting go of the deification of a religion is that all religions become more equal after that, and we can begin to glimpse God's face through each of them in their own unque way. We can see how fully God transcends man's religions when we begin to transcend them ourselves. And we can begin to appreciate the magnificence of God when we begin see how one God can relate to all these people through all these religions over all this time and through so many different worldly circumstances. And we're just one species on one little planet on the edge of one galaxy surrounded by billions of others - all with countless habitable planets and maybe trillions of other intelligent life forms. And all of them, too, with their own peculiar understanding and experience of God.

Well anyway, God was never a religion. God is the love you see in your wife's eyes when she looks at you. God is the trust and joy you see in your children's eyes when they look at you. God is the smile you see on a stranger's face when you hold out your hand and say, "hello, I'm ____, nice to meet you!" God is your own willingness to be good to other people, and to be honest, and to be kind, and share yourself. And God is the desire in others to do the same.

Religions are just man-made ideologies and practices that are supposed to help us to recognize and understand these things about God and to remember them. But sometimes the religions become false idols of their own. They take the place of God inside us and turn us into religious zealots and ideologues. When that happens it's time to put the religions away for a while before we become so confused and addicted to them that we lose sight of God all together.

God is love - not religion. Almost every religion on Earth will tell us this, but still many of us will lose our way and become addicted to the false idols we make of our own religions. And like any other junkie, we'll destroy everyone and everything in our lives to keep getting that "fix": to keep imagining that we own God, and God's righteousness through our religion.

Well anyway, I'm happy to hear that you have let go of that idolized kind of religion (if this is what I am hearing you say has happened) because I know that God's love in your life isn't dependant upon any religious belief, and frankly, I think it's easier to recognize and enjoy without all that religious crap. (But that's only my personal experience and opinion. I see others around here who are very successful at using their religion to help them recognize God's love in their lives and share it with other. Obviously they will feel differently then I do about it. *smile*)

In any case, nice to see you back and thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences.

Thanks PureX. You're pretty much on the right track. I've said it before, say it again...I feel like a better "Christian" now than I did before. More at peace, tolerant, forgiving.
 

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Originally posted by cattyfan

I'm very sorry you've found an excuse to turn your back on Christ. I'll pray your heart hasn't been too hardened and you will find your way to a Christian Church that builds your faith instead of discouraging you.

May God's peace settle into your heart and soul.

:cattyfan:

Trust me, I wasn't looking for an "excuse," nor do I see my choice as an "excuse" for anything. People walk from the church all the time for any number of reasons.
 

Granite

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Originally posted by lighthouse

I agree with Sozo, and Chileice, on this. Granite, I saw you as a brother in Christ, even if we didn't agree fully on many things. But I see now I was wrong. Your faith was built upon believing what others said, instead of the truth of God. I hope you seek God, and find him.

Lighthouse--I'd disagree. (Maybe not a surprise.) I believed the truth of God by not examining it. I trusted scripture and Christianity without ever questioning it. Unfortunately, the minute you start asking questions, you get into some kind of "danger zone", as far as many Christians are concerned. As though questioning why you believe what you do is somehow beyond the pale.

I have sought God. And I think I have found him. Unfortunately it doesn't seem as though what I found lines up with what I believed before.
 

Sozo

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Originally posted by granite1010

People walk from the church all the time for any number of reasons.
Yes they do, and I applaud them for it!

So then, what about you? Did you initially come to the church, or to Jesus?
 

Granite

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Originally posted by Sozo

Yes they do, and I applaud them for it!

So then, what about you? Did you initially come to the church, or to Jesus?

Raised in the faith. Since childhood.
 

Sozo

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Originally posted by granite1010

Raised in the faith. Since childhood.

So, at what point in your life, did you realize that you were a sinner, separated from God, and that coming to Christ by faith, to receive His life, is your only hope?
 
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