She didn't get to make that decision. Also, there is no dignity in slipping in his "honor of old love" when there areeyes and ears of strangers close by.
HIS decision put her on exhibition.
Honoring Old Love vs Medical Tyranny
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She didn't get to make that decision. Also, there is no dignity in slipping in his "honor of old love" when there areeyes and ears of strangers close by.
HIS decision put her on exhibition.
1PeaceMaker
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Says who?
Eyes? (remember the curtain)
Ears? (no sex while camping in tents, I guess)
Huh?
Did he put her in that room? No, the daughters and nursing home did it for two publicly revealed reasons. Stopping the marriage bed/sleepovers/privacy and getting another old man into her previous private room, so the home could make more $$.
Feel free to show her notarized statement.
1PeaceMaker
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So you will do that *without* a notarized statement... but I must have one? Hypocrite.
No, I wouldn't need one ... because I would not disregard another person's consent.
1PeaceMaker
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We are talking about what her life was like before she was taken and blocked by her daughters from having sex or living in her own home and sleeping in her own bed.
Don't let your mind wander now....
1PeaceMaker
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Do you rape your spouse when you have sex with him while he's drunk?
Do you assault your spouse by flirting with him or touching him out of the blue?
Do you assault your spouse by flirting with him or touching him out of the blue?
Yes. To be cared for. There were legitimate concerns about the woman's safety and health which you pretend did not exist.
Prior to her death, IF she had wandered out of her room and fallen down a flight of stairs or left the hospital, stumbled into the middle of the road to be run over by a car, who would you blame?
Oh, I know. The hospital. Because she would be THEIR responsibility.
You would INSIST that they be charged with criminal negligence.
In that case, IF she were in her own home and her husband turned his back and she wandered out in the street while in his care and was hit by a car, HE should be charged with criminal negligence.
Someone in her condition needs around the clock supervision. Which is exactly what my maternal grandparents were given as well as my aunt when they were too far gone with the disease to live in their own home.
You have not once even considered that the daughters did this because they were genuinely concerned about the safety and health of their mother.
My focus has been on the woman's declining health and as usual, your focus has been on the husband's desire for sex.
:chuckle: Nice reflection, projection, hijack, but no cookie. IF you wish to start a thread with the specific question, by all means do so.
Sitamun
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That seems to be precisely it. It seems that her husband left her alone for hours. Either he was in denial about the diagnosis or didn't fully comprehend it. I have seen a person with Alzheimer's completely aware of everything one second and the next determined that she was late making dinner for her husband and had to get home to Houston (she was in Chicago). She was determined to walk home. Had no one been there, who knows where she would have ended up.
It appears that the husband wanted no caretaker save himself for his wife, and he was not able to provide 24 hour care. What if this woman had been your mother what would you have done?
Yep, that's exactly right. Insofar as my own mother, it wouldn't have happened because my father always put her well being ahead of his own needs.
Though to answer you question, had my father not been taking care of my mother, I would intervene. Same thing if it had been my father who was ill.
It could very well be an instance of the husband not being all together of sound mind. He simply wasn't capable of caring for her.
It was a bad situation, but there was no malice. I haven't read anything that would indicate that the daughters, care facility or witness showed anything other than concern for the woman's well being.
:chuckle: Got it.
This is rather the crux of the case. Given her declined mental capacity, did she have the ability to knowingly consent or not.
My personal opinion is that he did not honor his wife in this case. No means no and if a person does not posses the wherewithal to understand consent, that is an automatic no. The man will suffer no ill effects from abstaining from sex.
1PeaceMaker
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I hijacked my own thread? LOL
Ducking and diving doesn't change the nature of the questions. They relate directly to the charges leveled in this case.
Sitamun
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Was your spouse able to give consent? If not then yes it is rape in the first case and assault in the second.
1PeaceMaker
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Does an amorous sleeping spouse who's murmuring and cuddling count as someone giving consent?
How about someone you think is still "with you" because it started out familiarly enough, albeit low key - until he starts snoring? :chuckle: Oops. Does that make you a rapist?
So when you wake up your spouse with kisses and some moves, are you assaulting him? It's not like most people ask their husband each and every time they start a-flirting.
If consent is orally withdrawn and advances are not welcome, that's a different thing altogether. That's not what I'm asking about.
1PeaceMaker
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Actually, you did. You did it when you put an arbitrary test given by someone lacking proper qualifications over the heartfelt expressions of the woman that she didn't want to be kept from her husband and commenting specialists who reviewed the case.
1PeaceMaker
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Actually you assume the man is pushing himself.
And you assume that her wishes were not expressed when she married and stayed married for years prior to her being taken from her husband, and repeatedly asked to be returned to him.
She never once complained of abuse, they never found evidence of abuse and she even bragged that her husband really appreciated her magnetism as a woman to her daughter, which her daughter presented to the world in the crassest diary description possible, (now public, thanks to the charges) if you ask me.
1PeaceMaker
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That's because as a daughter I would never treat my mom that way. I would provide round the clock care myself, if needed to keep her in the most healthy, safe environment possible. My mom worked as a nursing aid for the elderly and it broke her heart to see how the other staff abused them and let them get dehydrated. They loved my mother but she couldn't continue with all the garbage going on. So when my great-great aunt was feeble, I was honored to carry her to the toilet, feed her, dress her, wash her bed sheets and blankets daily, listen to her long for the grave, etc, and remind her that we loved her.
Only that's not true. You've been ignoring the constant stress she was put through by being put in that horrible home and her longing for her husband. You make the man out to be a mindless animal, not a responsive, caring husband.