Acts 2:34

[Right Divider]

Now that was twisted.

NOPE! Only your lying is twisted.

I show you with scripture how Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the one and the same God who is the Father, and the how I came to the truth was what is perverted?

Your "understanding" of the trinity is wacko.

Jesus did NOT "become the Son of God". He IS the Son of God since BEFORE THE WORLD WAS... that is what the scripture says.

 

[God's Truth]

Here is more proof that the Holy Spirit is God the Father.

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

 

[God's Truth]

NOPE! Only your lying is twisted.


Your "understanding" of the trinity is wacko.

Jesus did NOT "become the Son of God". He IS the Son of God since BEFORE THE WORLD WAS... that is what the scripture says.

Jesus became the Son of God IN THE FLESH.

Jesus was the I AM of the Old Testament.

Who is the I AM of the Old Testament? GOD THE FATHER!

 

[God's Truth]

Again:

This is not what I said, you lying devil.



THAT is the (perverted) LOGIC that you attempted to use to prove that "Jesus is the Father". By YOUR twisted "logic", the Holy Spirit is ALSO "the Father".

The perverted part is NOT your premise, it's your ILLOGICAL conclusion.

Now that was twisted.

You say my conclusion is perverted. My conclusion is that the Holy Spirit is God the Father.

 

[God's Truth]

Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
God is the word, the son is the word and scripture is the word.

There are similarities of course, but similarities do not prove identity.

They are exactly the same, not just similar.

Jesus as the son of God should resemble his Father in some ways even as any offspring should have some resemblance to their parents

However, to say that children are identical to their parents if foolishness.

Remember, Jesus had two parents. God and Mary. Jesus also resembles his mother in that Jesus is human and of the lineage of David.

However, Mary was a femaie, Jesus was a male

There is difference in gender.

Jesus is not Mary, and Jesus is not God.

If you wish to continue your line of thinking please consider this

You are a human, humans are animals, snails are animals, are your therefore a snail?

God is the word, the logos, the message

Jesus is the word, the logos, the message.

Scripture is the word, the logos, the message.

God authored scripture, but is your Bible God? No, but God is the source and sole originator of God's word.

God is the Father of Jesus Christ, but God is not flesh, God is spirit, John 4:24. Jesus is flesh, Jesus is human.

God chose to communicate His himself by various means. Hebrews 1:1-2

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

² Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

God did not become flesh, but the message which He wants us to know, the knowledge of the truth I Timothy 2:4, became flesh.

One reason we can know who God is so well, is because Jesus Christ, His son, lived God's word perfectly.

Thus we know God is compasshionate. God heals, God is light...

Jesus doesn't say that though. Jesus doesn't say have I been with you so long why do you ask to show us the Father when I resemble Him, or I am similar to Him.

Jesus says plainly that when you see him---YOU SEE THE FATHER.

Jesus IS God the Father with a physical body.

As I have told you many times before, the Bible is the WRITTEN Word of God, not the Word of God become flesh.

The Bible is not flesh.

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus became the Son of God IN THE FLESH.

Your stubborn ignorance is amazing!

Jesus said that HE was WITH HIS FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

John 17:5 (AKJV/PCE)
(17:5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

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So CLEARLY, He did NOT "become the Son of God"!

 

[God's Truth]

Your stubborn ignorance is amazing!

Jesus said that HE was WITH HIS FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

John 17:5 (AKJV/PCE)
(17:5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
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So CLEARLY, He did NOT "become the Son of God"!

You keep TRYING TO HIDE FROM JESUS BEING I AM.

Jesus going back to his Father with the same glory he had before DOES NOT MAKE JESUS NOT THE SAME AS GOD THE FATHER.

Jesus was ALWAYS the WORD OF GOD. Jesus was also God the Father made visible and heard.

 

[7djengo7]

Acts 2:34

For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Clearly, there are two Lords in this verse.

False.

Clearly, there are two instances of the word, 'Lord', in this verse. Maybe that's what confuses you: you see the word, 'Lord', twice in the same sentence, and you think "Ah, therefore it must be that two Lords are being referred to in this sentence."

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What is the specific identity of "The Lord"?

YHWH the Father

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What is the specific identity of "my Lord"?

YHWH the Son

 

[Right Divider]

You keep TRYING TO HIDE FROM JESUS BEING I AM.

NO, I'M NOT.

The I AM is GOD... plain and simple.

Jesus going back to his Father with the same glory he had before DOES NOT MAKE JESUS NOT THE SAME AS GOD THE FATHER.

Jesus (the Son) is God, His Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God. One God, three persons. Not three "figures" as you falsely claim.

Jesus was ALWAYS the WORD OF GOD. Jesus was also God the Father made visible and heard.

Jesus has ALWAYS BEEN the Son of God... He did NOT "become" the Son of God.

You are spouting heresy when you said that Jesus "became" the Son of God.

 

[God's Truth]

NO, I'M NOT.

The I AM is GOD... plain and simple.

GOD THE FATHER IS I AM.

JESUS SAYS HE IS I AM.

 

[God's Truth]

.Jesus (the Son) is God, His Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God. One God, three persons. Not three "figures" as you falsely claim.

There is ONLY ONE GOD AND HE IS THE FATHER. Jesus is that one God and Father, and so is the Holy Spirit.
There are not three different and separate Persons, as you teach.

Jesus has ALWAYS BEEN the Son of God... He did NOT "become" the Son of God.

Jesus has always been God. Jesus is the I AM IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. The I AM is God the Father!
There are NOT THREE SEPARATE and different persons making one God.
God is SINGULAR and there is NO ONE BESIDES HIM.

You are spouting heresy when you said that Jesus "became" the Son of God.

The Bible tells us when Jesus was born, HE BECAME THE SON OF GOD IN THE FLESH.
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
You are the one who spouts heresy.

 

[Right Divider]

GOD THE FATHER IS I AM.

JESUS SAYS HE IS I AM.

This is so simple that even a child can understand it... JESUS IS GOD! Always has been.

Jesus did NOT "become" the Son of God. John 17:5

 

[God's Truth]

This is so simple that even a child can understand it... JESUS IS GOD! Always has been.

Jesus did NOT "become" the Son of God. John 17:5

You are still avoiding the truth.

JESUS IS THE I AM IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.

God the Father is the I Am in the Old Testament.

Now do you want to talk about that some more?

 

[Right Divider]

You are still avoiding the truth.

John 17:5

JESUS IS THE I AM IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.

The I AM is GOD.

God the Father is the I Am in the Old Testament.

GOD is the I AM.

Now do you want to talk about that some more?

You are in denial due to your "story" that is incorrect but you are going to continue to try to force the "story" on the Bible.

The I AM is GOD!

 

[7djengo7]

The word Yahweh is the personal Name of the One God, God the Father.​

What (if anything) do you mean by your phrase, "personal Name"?​

Please cite where, in the Bible, you imagine you have learned that "the word Yahweh is the personal Name of the One God, God the Father".​

The word Adonai is the usual word for a ruler, master, lord.​

In Deuteronomy 9:26 KJV, we read:​

"I prayed therefore unto the LORD (YHWH), and said, O Lord (Adonai) God, destroy not thy people and thine inheritance..."​

Do you not, then, affirm that YHWH--being Adonai--is "a ruler, master, lord"?​

Whose Lord (Adonai), then, do you say YHWH the Father is?​

Thus Yahweh is the One God, Yahweh, God the Father. Seated at His right hand is David’s Lord, our Lord Jesus Christ, The Son of God.​

• Is YHWH the Father your Lord (Adonai)? Yes or No?​
• Is Jesus Christ your Lord (Adonai)? Yes or No?​

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again 7djengo7,

What (if anything) do you mean by your phrase, "personal Name"?

Yahweh is the Name that God revealed to Moses in Exodus 3 and God gave this Name to indicate His purpose to deliver Israel out of Egypt. Yahweh is the Name of the One God that the believers worship.

Please cite where, in the Bible, you imagine you have learned that "the word Yahweh is the personal Name of the One God, God the Father".

Yahweh is used throughout the OT and Psalm 110:1 clearly shows the distinction between the One God, Yahweh, God the Father and David’s Lord, our Lord Jesus Christ.
Exodus 15:1-3: 1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea. 2 The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father’s God, and I will exalt him. 3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

In Deuteronomy 9:26 KJV, we read: "I prayed therefore unto the LORD (YHWH), and said, O Lord (Adonai) God, destroy not thy people and thine inheritance..."
Do you not, then, affirm that YHWH--being Adonai--is "a ruler, master, lord"?

Yes Yahweh is Lord. Please note above what you quote as “O Lord (Adonai) God” is actually Adonai Yahweh. Jesus addresses God His Father as “Lord” in the following:
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth

Whose Lord (Adonai), then, do you say YHWH the Father is?

If Yahweh is Lord of heaven and earth then he is everyone’s Lord, whether they acknowledge it or not.

Is YHWH the Father your Lord (Adonai)? Yes or No? Is Jesus Christ your Lord (Adonai)? Yes or No?

Yes to both.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[God's Truth]

John 17:5


The I AM is GOD.


GOD is the I AM.


You are in denial due to your "story" that is incorrect but you are going to continue to try to force the "story" on the Bible.

The I AM is GOD!

No kidding it is GOD.

The I Am in the Old Testament is GOD THE FATHER.

Jesus IS the I Am in the Old Testament!

 

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No kidding it is GOD.

The I Am in the Old Testament is GOD THE FATHER.

Jesus IS the I Am in the Old Testament!

The I AM is GOD, not just the Father.

Jesus was WITH His Father BEFORE He came to earth. John 17:5

P.S. Where is your scripture?

 

[oatmeal]

False.

Clearly, there are two instances of the word, 'Lord', in this verse. Maybe that's what confuses you: you see the word, 'Lord', twice in the same sentence, and you think "Ah, therefore it must be that two Lords are being referred to in this sentence."

YHWH the Father

YHWH the Son

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Is it false?

or is it true?

I do not see how you can have it both ways.

How do you justify your contradictory statements?​

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[God's Truth]

The I AM is GOD, not just the Father.

Then you now finally admit Jesus is the Father?

Jesus was WITH His Father BEFORE He came to earth. John 17:5

Of course, because they are one and one means the same.

P.S. Where is your scripture?

I give many scriptures often. Which statement would you like a scripture for again?