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Nowhere is "the Father" mentioned in that scripture nor does it says "how" He was taken up.
Acts 2:34
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Nowhere is "the Father" mentioned in that scripture nor does it says "how" He was taken up.
Greetings Right Divider,
Acts 1:9 (KJV): And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV): 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Kind regards
Trevor
Possibly when it says that a cloud received him that this is both literal and figurative language to indicate that Jesus was taken by the Angels to heaven. Daniel 7 seems to teach this and Acts 1:9 may be alluding to this. Again it does not seem to teach that he went by his own power.
Acts 1:9 (KJV): And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV): 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Kind regards
Trevor
oatmeal
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You say that God is the Father became flesh? What did you say?
John 1:14 states clearly
a. God made himself flesh
b. the Word became flesh
oatmeal
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God is the word, the son is the word and scripture is the word.
Word, logos, basically means message, its literal meaning does not refer to God or Jesus Christ or scripture, but means simply a message.
Other uses are more specific as to what that message is.
God wants us to know about him, therefore God is the message, the word, the logos.
God communicated himself in a message in the form of the written word or logos of God, This too is the message
God knows that it is easier to see a sermon than to hear one so he had a son that also conveyed that message.
Once you realize the logos means message, then all this should become clearer for you
Since Jesus always did the Fathers' will not his own we learn about the Father. The only thing we know about the son's will is that he emptied himself of it so he could do the Father's will. thus we know what the Father's will is thus we know the Father.
God is spirit.
John 4:24
What is the subject of this thread? Acts 2:34
The Lord is God, My lord is Jesus Christ the son of God.
The Lord who is God is spirit. Jesus who is David's lord is a man
I do not have "Jesus" in me.
I have Christ in me
God's Truth
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Jesus was God the Father before coming to earth. Who do you think I AM is in the Old Testament?
What?
Jesus is God, and since he is God, then he is the ONE AND ONLY God who is the Father.
Do you not know the scriptures and believe them?
God's Truth
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So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
God's Truth
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The Word is God. God made Himself in the flesh.
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Which proves that Jesus is God.
As for the written word it is the written word.
Of course it is the Bible says so.
God came as a man to experience life for us. No one but God could do what He did.
Don't be silly and say that once I realize logos means message. EVERYTHING that Jesus said is God's word. Of course he gave a message. Jesus taught the way.
The Lord said to my lord means they are both the Lord.
Jesus is on the throne of God but you don't want to call him God.
Jesus says that he himself will live in the saved. So you do not have Jesus in you? Who do you think the Christ is?
John 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."
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NO, HE WAS NOT! Repeating your story does not make it magically come true.
I showed you, CLEARLY FROM SCRIPTURE, that Jesus was WITH HIS FATHER before the world was.
Joh 17:5 KJV And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Just let the scripture be true instead of try to force your story on it.
FALSE. Believe John 17:5
By your perverted logic: The Holy Spirit is God, and since he is God, then he is the ONE AND ONLY God who is the Father.
Clearly, I do and you don't.
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That is a defense to the truth how?
Jesus was God the Father before coming to earth. Who do you think I AM is in the Old Testament?
Jesus says he is I AM. Do you believe him?
Jesus was with God and was God. Jesus was with God with a body before coming to earth and being God with a flesh body.
Take your own advice.
The Holy Spirit is God.
You call that perverted?
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You try to twist peoples words. You are evil.
God's Truth
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1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
John 4:24 For God is Spirit,
The scripture that says the Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and withhold some of the proceeds from the land? 4 Did it not belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How could you conceive such a deed in your heart? You have not lied to men, but to God!”
oatmeal
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Indeed, he was taken up.
He did not ascend under his own power, but was taken up.
However, he clearly participated in being taken up.
The best I can say about how? is by the power of God in action.
There have been other events like that. Philip being moved from one spot to another. The disciples in the ship, the event where Peter walked on water, they were moved to shore quickly. and Elijah and the chariots of fire come to mind. How? I am not sure if the word gives any details. God does not explain many things. How does God make a blind man to see? Do we really want to know all the details? I don't. I am sure that is far too much information for me. I would rather joy and rejoice that it happened.
oatmeal
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Your theology does not change what John 1:14 states
oatmeal
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Your opinions does not change what John 1:14 states.
oatmeal
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Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
God is the word, the son is the word and scripture is the word.
There are similarities of course, but similarities do not prove identity.
Jesus as the son of God should resemble his Father in some ways even as any offspring should have some resemblance to their parents
However, to say that children are identical to their parents if foolishness.
Remember, Jesus had two parents. God and Mary. Jesus also resembles his mother in that Jesus is human and of the lineage of David.
However, Mary was a femaie, Jesus was a male
There is difference in gender.
Jesus is not Mary, and Jesus is not God.
If you wish to continue your line of thinking please consider this
You are a human, humans are animals, snails are animals, are your therefore a snail?
God is the word, the logos, the message
Jesus is the word, the logos, the message.
Scripture is the word, the logos, the message.
God authored scripture, but is your Bible God? No, but God is the source and sole originator of God's word.
God is the Father of Jesus Christ, but God is not flesh, God is spirit, John 4:24. Jesus is flesh, Jesus is human.
God chose to communicate His himself by various means. Hebrews 1:1-2
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
God did not become flesh, but the message which He wants us to know, the knowledge of the truth I Timothy 2:4, became flesh.
One reason we can know who God is so well, is because Jesus Christ, His son, lived God's word perfectly.
Thus we know God is compasshionate. God heals, God is light...
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This is not what I said, you lying devil.
THAT is the (perverted) LOGIC that you attempted to use to prove that "Jesus is the Father". By YOUR twisted "logic", the Holy Spirit is ALSO "the Father".
The perverted part is NOT your premise, it's your ILLOGICAL conclusion.
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I say exactly what John 1:14 says.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Word was made flesh. Have you ever heard that about any other prophet of God's?
Jesus's name is the Word of God.
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You just have to believe what is plainly written and not try to change it according to your opinion, or a teachers opinion that you have adopted.
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Now that was twisted.
I show you with scripture how Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the one and the same God who is the Father, and the how I came to the truth was what is perverted?
So you say it is perverted HOW I came to say the Holy Spirit is God is what is perverted, but not what I said is perverted? I used scripture. Now since you say my logic is perverted when I say the Holy Spirit is God the Father, how is it you don't think it is perverted to say the Holy Spirit is God the Father?
You say my conclusion is perverted. My conclusion is that the Holy Spirit is God the Father.
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