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What Jesus are you speaking of ?
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You will find out at the Judgment where my understanding came from! But in the meantime did you read posts 1029/30 of this thread ?
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The Righteousness of Faith ! What it is and what its not !
The Righteousness of Faith ! What it is and what its not !
Rom 4:5,9,13
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Now many in false religion, boasters, they have corrupted these text to insinuate they mean, that God counts a mans own faith as his Righteousness, yet that is not what any of those text say or mean. Fact is, God does not count a mans own faith as Righteousness, for if that was even remotely so, the Apostle Paul would be in contradiction when he wrote this Phil 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Now if his Faith was his Righteousness as the distorters of Rom 4:5 would tell us and have us believe, that Abraham's own Faith was counted to him for Righteousness, then Paul would indeed be claiming his own Righteousness of the Law, for Faith is of the Law Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Faith and Love to God is of the Law ! In the Luke account instead of Faith, it reads the Love of God ought to be done Lk 11:42
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Its the very first and greatest commandment of the Law, Jesus once replied this Matt 22:35-40
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
These Two commandments are the weightier matters of the Law. Theres No Love to God apart from Faith in Him, and there is no Faith in Him apart from Love to Him, for True Faith worketh by Love Gal 5:6
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
So Faith in God with Love ought to have been done as the weightier matters of the Law
Matt 23:23
Woe to you, [self-righteous] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you give a tenth (tithe) of your mint and dill and cumin [focusing on minor matters], and have neglected the weightier [more important moral and spiritual] provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the [primary] things you ought to have done without neglecting the others.AMP
Now who wants to argue that Faith and Love to God is not the Primary things of the Law ? Just read Matt 22:35-40 again !
The Righteousness of Faith ! What it is and what its not !
Rom 4:5,9,13
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Now many in false religion, boasters, they have corrupted these text to insinuate they mean, that God counts a mans own faith as his Righteousness, yet that is not what any of those text say or mean. Fact is, God does not count a mans own faith as Righteousness, for if that was even remotely so, the Apostle Paul would be in contradiction when he wrote this Phil 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Now if his Faith was his Righteousness as the distorters of Rom 4:5 would tell us and have us believe, that Abraham's own Faith was counted to him for Righteousness, then Paul would indeed be claiming his own Righteousness of the Law, for Faith is of the Law Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Faith and Love to God is of the Law ! In the Luke account instead of Faith, it reads the Love of God ought to be done Lk 11:42
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Its the very first and greatest commandment of the Law, Jesus once replied this Matt 22:35-40
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
These Two commandments are the weightier matters of the Law. Theres No Love to God apart from Faith in Him, and there is no Faith in Him apart from Love to Him, for True Faith worketh by Love Gal 5:6
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
So Faith in God with Love ought to have been done as the weightier matters of the Law
Matt 23:23
Woe to you, [self-righteous] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you give a tenth (tithe) of your mint and dill and cumin [focusing on minor matters], and have neglected the weightier [more important moral and spiritual] provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the [primary] things you ought to have done without neglecting the others.AMP
Now who wants to argue that Faith and Love to God is not the Primary things of the Law ? Just read Matt 22:35-40 again !
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The Righteousness of Faith ! What it is and what its not ! 2
The Righteousness of Faith ! What it is and what its not ! 2
A True Believers faith is not his Righteousness, but the object of his True Faith is, the Lord Jesus Christ, He is Our Righteousness, God made it so 1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Thats the Testimony of the Church, the People of God Jer 33:16
In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
Hence Rom 4:5 must mean that Faith, given by the Holy Spirit in New Birth, has as its object and has its eye on Christ her Righteousness, revealed to her by the Gospel, its revealed to Faith from Faith Rom 1:16-17. Its the Righteousness of God imputed because of the Work and Covenant Obedience of Jesus Christ for us, its revealed or made known to God given Faith, so it means Faith and its Object Christ are the same. See Abraham's God given Faith had received the Testimony of the Gospel which was Preached to him Gal 3:8, that Christ was his Righteousness, So his Faith regarding its object, Christ, had been counted to him for Righteousness !
The Righteousness of Faith ! What it is and what its not ! 2
A True Believers faith is not his Righteousness, but the object of his True Faith is, the Lord Jesus Christ, He is Our Righteousness, God made it so 1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Thats the Testimony of the Church, the People of God Jer 33:16
In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
Hence Rom 4:5 must mean that Faith, given by the Holy Spirit in New Birth, has as its object and has its eye on Christ her Righteousness, revealed to her by the Gospel, its revealed to Faith from Faith Rom 1:16-17. Its the Righteousness of God imputed because of the Work and Covenant Obedience of Jesus Christ for us, its revealed or made known to God given Faith, so it means Faith and its Object Christ are the same. See Abraham's God given Faith had received the Testimony of the Gospel which was Preached to him Gal 3:8, that Christ was his Righteousness, So his Faith regarding its object, Christ, had been counted to him for Righteousness !
--Then everyone is a Christian expert, so TOL--which is FILLED with different and contradictory interpretations--should be shut down?But we should assume that the understanding that God gives us is inerrant, 1Jn 5:20 !!
--So Christian bookstores should stop selling different biblical versions and translations?
--So we should get rid of John’s gospel because he says Jesus’s death occurred on the Day of Preparation instead of on Passover?
--Or maybe just get rid of Mark, Luke and Matthew instead because their interpretation says Jesus died on Passover?
How in the heck can you continue to actually believe different traditions, contradictory theologies, different agendas--ALL FOUND IN THE SAME BOOK--as “inerrant”?
Silliness. This makes no sense at all.
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Who taught you what you know?
beloved57
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Posts 1044&45 did you read them and understand the points I made with scripture?
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Posts 1044 -45 did you read them and understand the points I made with scripture?
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Why God will not impute sin on some !
Why God will not impute sin on some !
Rom 4:8
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Why God will not impute sin on some ! Its at least for Two reasons I can see in scripture, #1 Its because that one has already had their sin/sins already imputed to Christ, so that He could die for them, thus satisfying Gods Law and Justice for them, never to come before Him again. Its Christ having made an end of sin for them Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
That is to make an end of all the sins charged to Him, so consequently, they cannot be recharged upon any again !
He put away sin Heb 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to sin by the sacrifice of himself.
And #2 God will not impute sin on some because He has declared them Righteous ! God will not impute sin to them He declared Righteous, and everyone He will not impute sin upon, He does Impute Righteousness upon.
We know this to be True from comparing scripture with scripture. David had wrote in the OT this Ps 32:1-2
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
Now Paul quotes this of David here in Rom 4 when writing about whom God imputes Righteousness without works, by writing Rom 4:6-8
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
So David in essence was describing also in Ps 32:1-2 the blessedness of the Man whom God imputes Righteousness without works, by Non Imputation !
So God cannot and Will not impute sin upon the Righteous, for thats against His Righteous standard.
So God will not impute sin on some because their sins have been already imputed to Christ, and He made an end of them, and because He will not impute sin upon them He has already imputed Righteousness upon, which are the same ones He will not impute sin upon !
That cannot be said for all humanity because many shall die in their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24, which means their sins God did impute unto them , or how else can they die in them !
Why God will not impute sin on some !
Rom 4:8
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Why God will not impute sin on some ! Its at least for Two reasons I can see in scripture, #1 Its because that one has already had their sin/sins already imputed to Christ, so that He could die for them, thus satisfying Gods Law and Justice for them, never to come before Him again. Its Christ having made an end of sin for them Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
That is to make an end of all the sins charged to Him, so consequently, they cannot be recharged upon any again !
He put away sin Heb 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to sin by the sacrifice of himself.
And #2 God will not impute sin on some because He has declared them Righteous ! God will not impute sin to them He declared Righteous, and everyone He will not impute sin upon, He does Impute Righteousness upon.
We know this to be True from comparing scripture with scripture. David had wrote in the OT this Ps 32:1-2
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
Now Paul quotes this of David here in Rom 4 when writing about whom God imputes Righteousness without works, by writing Rom 4:6-8
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
So David in essence was describing also in Ps 32:1-2 the blessedness of the Man whom God imputes Righteousness without works, by Non Imputation !
So God cannot and Will not impute sin upon the Righteous, for thats against His Righteous standard.
So God will not impute sin on some because their sins have been already imputed to Christ, and He made an end of them, and because He will not impute sin upon them He has already imputed Righteousness upon, which are the same ones He will not impute sin upon !
That cannot be said for all humanity because many shall die in their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24, which means their sins God did impute unto them , or how else can they die in them !
John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Romans 10:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Romans 10:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Yeah you are right ! They quote scripture which they don't believe nor understand!
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Yeah, they certainly got John 3:16 and Rom. 10:13 fresh in their memory,
but haven't been given understanding of them. And that's typical of the natural man,
he can only seek the god of his own understanding, but that's not God Rom. 3:11.
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Amen!
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Freed from sin ! What does it mean ?
Freed from sin ! What does it mean ?
Rom 6:7
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Now exactly what does it mean to be freed from sin ? Who is freed from sin ? It means that by the Death of Christ, all for whom He died, which all legally died with Him 2 Cor 5:14, they all [by His death alone] have been freed from sin, or Justified from sin. The word freed here is the greek word dikaioó and means:
I make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: I regard as righteous.
They have been acquitted from sin, even from the punishment of sin, because Christ their Representative Surety hath for them already suffered the due penalty and punishment for their sins, which in the Justice of God, frees them from any death or punishment due by Gods Justice ! In fact, it means also that they have been made Righteous, and all this has transpired before they believe, because Christ's death for them was before they believed !
All whom Christ died for, without exception have been made free from sin and its Punishement. Therefore none for whom He died can justly be sent into the second death Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
None of these Christ died for, because if He had, they would be free from sin and its punishment , the second death !
Freed from sin ! What does it mean ?
Rom 6:7
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Now exactly what does it mean to be freed from sin ? Who is freed from sin ? It means that by the Death of Christ, all for whom He died, which all legally died with Him 2 Cor 5:14, they all [by His death alone] have been freed from sin, or Justified from sin. The word freed here is the greek word dikaioó and means:
I make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: I regard as righteous.
They have been acquitted from sin, even from the punishment of sin, because Christ their Representative Surety hath for them already suffered the due penalty and punishment for their sins, which in the Justice of God, frees them from any death or punishment due by Gods Justice ! In fact, it means also that they have been made Righteous, and all this has transpired before they believe, because Christ's death for them was before they believed !
All whom Christ died for, without exception have been made free from sin and its Punishement. Therefore none for whom He died can justly be sent into the second death Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
None of these Christ died for, because if He had, they would be free from sin and its punishment , the second death !
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Amen, this proves that Christ's Death was not for all of mankind without exception,
but only for His Sheep John 10:11, 15; the Wheat that is gathered into His Barn Mat. 13:30.
The goats / tares were cursed from the beginning Mat. 25:41 they were not part of
the People that God Loved John 3:16-17 and which Christ came to Save Mat. 1:21.
Their father, the devil sowed them into the world Mat. 13:38-39; Jude 1:4; Rom. 9:22.
Prov. 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
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And the Church says Amen !
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Freed from sin ! What does it mean ?2
Freed from sin ! What does it mean ?2
Being freed from sin Rom 6:7 is also equivalent to being free from death, for death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
This goes back to Gods warning of man Gen 2:17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
And so we have it, Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
So death, all death began by sin, even the second death, which is hell is because of sin, no sin, then no death of any kind !
Now, the wages of our sin is death Rom 6:23, and those whom Christ died for, by His death Heb 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
This taste of death was the death that was due to that every man for their sin Rom 6:23,
The same here 1 Pet 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
This His being put death in the flesh, was for the suffering of their sins, and it was the debt of death owed to Gods Justice for sin Rom 6:23
Hell and Death go together as in the Messianic Psalms Ps 18:5
The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.
Ps 116:3
The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
John Gill writes:
I believe the scriptures indicate that the death Christ endured for sinners He died for was comprised of their endless second death, owed by the Justice of God for sin the wages of sin Rom 6:23 !
Many debate about Heb 2:9 as to who the every man is, be assured, whoever they are shall not partake of the Second Death, simply because their Surety has already endured that death for them !
So for instance, these we read of here Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Jesus could not have Tasted Death Heb 2:9 for any of them, lest God is being Unjust in Punishing them again with the Second Death, after already having Punished Christ their Surety with it for them !
Freed from sin ! What does it mean ?2
Being freed from sin Rom 6:7 is also equivalent to being free from death, for death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
This goes back to Gods warning of man Gen 2:17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
And so we have it, Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
So death, all death began by sin, even the second death, which is hell is because of sin, no sin, then no death of any kind !
Now, the wages of our sin is death Rom 6:23, and those whom Christ died for, by His death Heb 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
This taste of death was the death that was due to that every man for their sin Rom 6:23,
The same here 1 Pet 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
This His being put death in the flesh, was for the suffering of their sins, and it was the debt of death owed to Gods Justice for sin Rom 6:23
Hell and Death go together as in the Messianic Psalms Ps 18:5
The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.
Ps 116:3
The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
John Gill writes:
I believe the scriptures indicate that the death Christ endured for sinners He died for was comprised of their endless second death, owed by the Justice of God for sin the wages of sin Rom 6:23 !
Many debate about Heb 2:9 as to who the every man is, be assured, whoever they are shall not partake of the Second Death, simply because their Surety has already endured that death for them !
So for instance, these we read of here Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Jesus could not have Tasted Death Heb 2:9 for any of them, lest God is being Unjust in Punishing them again with the Second Death, after already having Punished Christ their Surety with it for them !