beloved57
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Is that your response when your lies and false teaching is exposed ? lol
Why We Are Justified by Faith Alone
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Is that your response when your lies and false teaching is exposed ? lol
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Robert Pate Cannot Rightly Divide
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http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...e-God-Unjust&p=4826175&viewfull=1#post4826175
Give up, Robert. You could not be more wrong. Why not attempt to learn what rightly dividing really means:
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-saved-under&p=4754205&viewfull=1#post4754205
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Robert Pate Cannot Rightly Divide
Your "world means everyone" view is yet another example of your inability to properly interpret Scripture:
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...e-God-Unjust&p=4826175&viewfull=1#post4826175
Give up, Robert. You could not be more wrong. Why not attempt to learn what rightly dividing really means:
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-saved-under&p=4754205&viewfull=1#post4754205
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beloved57
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You and your boy jerry have been exposed !
turbosixx
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But John said that is how we would believe.
Jn.20:30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
I agree it means to believe, entrust and is an occurrence but if you look at the first explanation in the definition you gave it says “expresses and act”. That’s the way I’ve understood it up to now. Faith is the noun and believe is the verb which I understand as faith in action.
Faith – N-pistis
Believe –V- pisteuó
When I read scripture I understand the one who believes is the one who acts, like in this parable. Which one believed the message?
24 "Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock…26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
I agree, they must believe in order to be saved. It wouldn't do any good baptizing a non-believer.
Where do you think I got the idea? The reason I can’t see the error is because I got the idea straight from Jesus.
15.. proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,
I know you think it’s optional but if you look at the same conversation from Matthews stand point Jesus said to make disciples baptizing them. When you put the two together we see that those who believe the gospel are baptized “in the name of Jesus” and that’s what makes them a disciple adding them to the church.
Jerry Shugart
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turbosixx,
Earlier I quoted this verse:
Then I said:
According to your ideas the gospel is not the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes because no one is saved when they believe the gospel. According to your view no one is saved until they believe and then are baptized with water.
Why can't you see the errors of your theology?
Here is your answer:
The meaning which you put on this verse directly contradicts what is said at Romans 1:16. What is evident about the Lord's words is the fact that He is describing those who will be saved and not saying that submitting to the rite of water baptism is a requirement to be saved. The following verse is an example of the Lord describing them who will be saved:
"And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life" (Mt.19:29).
Here the Lord says that those who have forsaken their families will receive everlasting life, but surely no one will argue that this is a requirement for salvation. Instead, the Lord is merely describing many who will be saved. Therefore we can understand that at Mark 16:16 the Lord Jesus is merely describing those who will be saved.
And that is the only interpretation of Mark 16:16 which doesn't contradict Romans 1:16.
Please refresh my memory and tell me where I gave that definition.
Yes, but not just because He did miracles but instead because He fulfilled the prophecies which spoke of the Lord performing miracles (Isa.35:5-6). Here we can see that some believed because of the miracles which the Lord Jesus did:
"Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men" (Jn.2:23-24).
Do you think that kind of faith saved them?
Obviously not. They did not believe in their hearts.
Earlier I quoted this verse:
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" (Ro.1:16).
Then I said:
According to your ideas the gospel is not the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes because no one is saved when they believe the gospel. According to your view no one is saved until they believe and then are baptized with water.
Why can't you see the errors of your theology?
Here is your answer:
The meaning which you put on this verse directly contradicts what is said at Romans 1:16. What is evident about the Lord's words is the fact that He is describing those who will be saved and not saying that submitting to the rite of water baptism is a requirement to be saved. The following verse is an example of the Lord describing them who will be saved:
"And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life" (Mt.19:29).
Here the Lord says that those who have forsaken their families will receive everlasting life, but surely no one will argue that this is a requirement for salvation. Instead, the Lord is merely describing many who will be saved. Therefore we can understand that at Mark 16:16 the Lord Jesus is merely describing those who will be saved.
And that is the only interpretation of Mark 16:16 which doesn't contradict Romans 1:16.
Please refresh my memory and tell me where I gave that definition.
Yes, but not just because He did miracles but instead because He fulfilled the prophecies which spoke of the Lord performing miracles (Isa.35:5-6). Here we can see that some believed because of the miracles which the Lord Jesus did:
"Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men" (Jn.2:23-24).
Do you think that kind of faith saved them?
Obviously not. They did not believe in their hearts.
Most of you problem is with the Bible. You have a lot of trouble with what the scriptures are saying. Like when it says "Everyone" Hebrews 2:9 or when it says "All men" 1 Timothy 2:4.
Your worst problem is when it says "The world" 1 John 4:14 or worse yet when it says "The whole world."
You even have trouble when Jesus claims to be the savior of the "World" John 12:47.
Maybe you should write your own Bible. You could call it "The New Testament According to John Calvin".
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Robert Pate Refuses to Actually Engage
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Robert,
Why not simply avoid a rejoinder to anyone who provides detailed and substantive response to you errors? I have no idea why you bother to just state more opinions along the lines of "I am right you are not" while trying to move the goal posts in hopes no one will notice.
The argument you have made is plainly in your own words "world means everyone". I have demonstrated how this cannot be the wooden literalism you hope it to be. Rather than taking up my clear arguments, you just move on.
You clearly have no idea what actual discussion means. Your blogger mindset is undoing you.
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Robert Pate Refuses to Actually Engage
Robert,
Why not simply avoid a rejoinder to anyone who provides detailed and substantive response to you errors? I have no idea why you bother to just state more opinions along the lines of "I am right you are not" while trying to move the goal posts in hopes no one will notice.
The argument you have made is plainly in your own words "world means everyone". I have demonstrated how this cannot be the wooden literalism you hope it to be. Rather than taking up my clear arguments, you just move on.
You clearly have no idea what actual discussion means. Your blogger mindset is undoing you.
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Stupid, meaningless statement :wave2:
No, its true. Calvinism is your God. You will do anything and believe anything as long as it pleases your phony God.
Calvinism is the theology of God, and is far more biblical than any of you hacks.
You have been terribly deceived.
God has ALREADY reconciled you unto himself by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. No predestination was needed.