ECT Why shouldn't I convert from Evangelical Protestant to Catholic?

[glassjester]

So then, you think Jesus is different than God the Father because Jesus was a Man in the flesh? Lol

I didn't say that.

I quoted Luke 22:42, remember?


Who was Jesus talking to?
Who was Jesus' will?
Why was Jesus' will different from the person he was talking to?

 

[God's Truth]

You're absolutely stupid to conflate the Father as the Son. And your law methodology is of your son, the Devil.

You blasphemy things you do not understand.

Yor are ensnared by Satan to do his will.

 

[God's Truth]

I didn't say that.

I quoted Luke 22:42, remember?


Who was Jesus talking to?
Who was Jesus' will?
Why was Jesus' will different from the person he was talking to?

Jesus' will was not different. Jesus' will was to do what the Father says.

 

[meshak]

Jesus' will was not different. Jesus' will was to do what the Father says.

You need to chill out of your stupidity.

You talk too much without knowing what you are talking about.

 

[Bright Raven]

You need to chill out of your stupidity.

You talk too much without knowing what you are talking about.

Nice :thumb:

 

[glassjester]

Jesus' will was not different. Jesus' will was to do what the Father says.

You misunderstand. It is not that Jesus willed that something other than what the Father wills should occur, but the fact that He has a will of His own.

Read the verse again.

"Yet not my will, but your will be done."


Just as you and I may both will the same thing (ie, to eat ice cream), yet we each have our own will. Why? because you and I are discrete, independent persons.

 

[God's Truth]

You misunderstand. It is not that Jesus willed that something other than what the Father wills should occur, but the fact that He has a will of His own.

Read the verse again.

"Yet not my will, but your will be done."


Just as you and I may both will the same thing (ie, to eat ice cream), yet we each have our own will. Why? because you and I are discrete, independent persons.

Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh. Jesus' will is the Father's will. Jesus' works is the Father's works. Jesus only does what the Father does, and Jesus only says what the Father say. When you see Jesus you see the Father.

 

[God's Truth]

You need to chill out of your stupidity.

You talk too much without knowing what you are talking about.

You need to get saved.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

You blasphemy things you do not understand.

Yor are ensnared by Satan to do his will.

Untrue. You (Satan) have not ensnared me at all.:chuckle:

How's your husband, Sapphira? They're coming to take you out, too, dead one.

 

[meshak]

You need to get saved.

having fun bickering with everyone who don't agree with you?

How sinless of you.

 

[glassjester]

Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh. Jesus' will is the Father's will. Jesus' works is the Father's works. Jesus only does what the Father does, and Jesus only says what the Father say. When you see Jesus you see the Father.

Then what is the meaning of "not my will, but your will" ? K:

 

[God's Truth]

Untrue. You (Satan) have not ensnared me at all.:chuckle:

How's your husband, Sapphira? They're coming to take you out, too, dead one.

Maybe they are coming to take you out. Maybe you were never in.

 

[God's Truth]

Then what is the meaning of "not my will, but your will" ? K:

God came as a Man. Jesus is God with a flesh body. Jesus knew the suffering he would have to do and spoke about doing God's will so that the hearers knew it was God's will.

 

[glassjester]

God came as a Man. Jesus is God with a flesh body. Jesus knew the suffering he would have to do and spoke about doing God's will so that the hearers knew it was God's will.

Alright. So the hearers would know it was the Father's will.

...but not Jesus' will?

 

[God's Truth]

Alright. So the hearers would know it was the Father's will.

...but not Jesus' will?

Jesus' will was to do the will of God.

Jesus emptied himself and came to serve.

 

[glassjester]

Jesus' will was to do the will of God.

Yes.

So let's try out your idea with that verse from Luke.

You say the Father and the Son are the same person. Can the same person have a will and not have a will that is his own?

Example:

Bob is eating a bowl of ice cream.
You see Bob eating ice cream, and you say, "Hey Bob! Is it your will to eat ice cream right now?"
And Bob says back to you, "No, no. It's not my will. It's Bob's will that I eat ice cream!"
So you say, "But you are Bob, your will is Bob's will!"
And he says, "Nope! My will is not being done, but Bob's will is!"


Either this guy is crazy, or... he and Bob are not the same person!

 

[God's Truth]

Yes.

So let's try out your idea with that verse from Luke.

You say the Father and the Son are the same person. Can the same person have a will and not have a will that is his own?

Example:

Bob is eating a bowl of ice cream.
You see Bob eating ice cream, and you say, "Hey Bob! Is it your will to eat ice cream right now?"
And Bob says back to you, "No, no. It's not my will. It's Bob's will that I eat ice cream!"
So you say, "But you are Bob, your will is Bob's will!"
And he says, "Nope! My will is not being done, but Bob's will is!"


Either this guy is crazy, or... he and Bob are not the same person!

God did not pretend to come to earth as a Son of Man. God really did come as a Man.

Jesus came from heaven and emptied himself. Jesus came as a servant.