Who Can Explain This Scripture?

theophilus

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Cain and Abel had the same parents, Adam and Eve. They were raised in
the same home. They had the same influences. They were called to the same God to offer sacrifice.
They both brought sacrifices to God. Cain is never presented as an atheist. He is presented as a
religious man. He is actually a worshiper and a worshiper of God, the only God they knew about was
the Creator God, and they knew the God who was Creator. Their parents, after all, had walked and
talked with Him in the cool of the day and their parents had certainly told them all they knew about
God. They weren't very far removed from personal testimony. They knew the true God who was
Creator. They knew the God who had acted in judgment against their parents because of their sin.
They knew the God who had cursed the earth and had put the curse upon the serpent. They knew
the God who had pronounced not only the curse but blessing on Adam and blessing on Eve. They
knew the God who had promised that there would be a seed of the woman who would eventually
bruise the serpent's head. They knew the one true God, they both did.

Cain was not an atheist, he was a religious person. And he came as a worshiper of God. And you
want to understand this, folks, some of the most murderous people who exist, some of the greatest
haters of those who were truly God's are those who are religious. In fact, you can make a case that
they're the worst. It wasn't atheists who murdered Jesus. It wasn't atheists who screamed for His
blood and demanded that the Romans crucify Him. It was religionists who were in their own twisted
way worshiping the God of Israel, the God who was the very God and Father of the one they sought
to kill. Outward ritual, outward religiosity is no proof that a person is born of God. Cain was a very
religious man. He didn't bring the right sacrifice because he had a self-styled religion. There's no
question in my mind that he had been commanded to bring an animal sacrifice as his brother did,
and that's why God accepted Abel's sacrifice and didn't accept Cain's because Cain didn't bring what
God asked. Rather than bring a sacrifice which God asked, he brought the fruit of the land which he
himself had toiled to produce and so for him he was going to make his relationship with God based
upon what he accomplished, and that never gets you to God. But he was a religious man.

But he failed the test of love. It's clear that even though he was not an atheist, even though he was
worshiping the true God, he was worshiping Him in a wrong way and he was worshiping him from a
wicked heart. And so, you know the story, the real test of Cain's true religion wasn't even his
sacrifice, that was one test, that wasn't the full test. We could say, "Well, he was trying to get there
by works and that's bad." It was worse than that, he despised the man who was obedient to God.

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/62-28/true-christians-love-one-another?term=62-28
 

Ben Masada

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1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Cain is of the wicked one?

Because of uncontrolled jealousy. Cain ill-used his attribute of Freewill and chose to act evil in spite of God's warning that what he was planning to do was evil. (Genesis 4:6-9)
 

popsthebuilder

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I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you are saying. Could you go into more detail, different wording, or reference a larger section of scripture to explain better?

Thanks

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jamie

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Abel sacrificed a lamb picturing the sacrifice of a future Lamb.

Good job.
 

serpentdove

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[Things changed. May he's noticed (Jn 3:6). :plain:] Post #4
We live in a fallen world (Ro 8:22). I believe you said the same thing. Cain was a bad guy. Know anyone like him?

[1 Jn 3:10-11] "(3:11, 12) Cain “was of that wicked one.” The words “wicked one” are the translation of ponēros (πονηρος), “evil in active opposition to the good.” The word “pernicious” is a good translation. A kakos (κακος) (evil) man is willing to perish in his own corruption. But a ponēros (πονηρος) (pernicious) person, seeks to drag every one else down with himself into the corruption and destruction that awaits him. That is Satan." Wuest, K. S. (1997). Wuest’s word studies from the Greek New Testament: for the English reader (1 Jn 3:10–11). Grand Rapids: Eerdmans.
 

popsthebuilder

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We live in a fallen world (Ro 8:22). I believe you said the same thing. Cain was a bad guy. Know anyone like him?

[1 Jn 3:10-11] "(3:11, 12) Cain “was of that wicked one.” The words “wicked one” are the translation of ponēros (πονηρος), “evil in active opposition to the good.” The word “pernicious” is a good translation. A kakos (κακος) (evil) man is willing to perish in his own corruption. But a ponēros (πονηρος) (pernicious) person, seeks to drag every one else down with himself into the corruption and destruction that awaits him. That is Satan." Wuest, K. S. (1997). Wuest’s word studies from the Greek New Testament: for the English reader (1 Jn 3:10–11). Grand Rapids: Eerdmans.
Oh.. That helped. Thanks

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beameup

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Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one [Devil] and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters, if the world hates you. - 1 John 3:12-13 NIV
 

serpentdove

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Was it not envy, or pride and greed?
Darkness cannot live with light (Jn 3:19, Am 3:3).

"Cain’s works are described as evil. The same word (ponēros (πονηρος)) is used when the devil is spoken of as “that wicked one.” His works were pernicious, actively opposed to that which is good.

...Translation. Because this is the message which you heard from the beginning, to the effect that we should habitually be loving one another with a divine love; not even as Cain was out of the Pernicious One, and killed his brother by severing his jugular vein. And on what account did he kill him? Because his works were pernicious and those of his brother, righteous." Wuest, K. S. (1997). Wuest’s word studies from the Greek New Testament: for the English reader (1 Jn 3:11). Grand Rapids: Eerdmans.
 

popsthebuilder

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Darkness cannot live with light (Jn 3:19).

"Cain’s works are described as evil. The same word (ponēros (πονηρος)) is used when the devil is spoken of as “that wicked one.” His works were pernicious, actively opposed to that which is good.

...Translation. Because this is the message which you heard from the beginning, to the effect that we should habitually be loving one another with a divine love; not even as Cain was out of the Pernicious One, and killed his brother by severing his jugular vein. And on what account did he kill him? Because his works were pernicious and those of his brother, righteous." Wuest, K. S. (1997). Wuest’s word studies from the Greek New Testament: for the English reader (1 Jn 3:11). Grand Rapids: Eerdmans.
Yes, I got that friend.

I was just stating that envy...derived from pride and more so by greed is of evil.

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iamaberean

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1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Cain is of the wicked one?

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Seth is the son of Adam and he is the son of God, but Cain is of the wicked one 'the devil'. It doesn't make sense! Or does it?
 
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