When did the Israelites destroy Jericho.

[S-word]

Was it 40 years after the Israelites had been in Egypt for 430 years to the day, as recorded in Exodus 12: 40?

This would mean that the exodus occurred somewhere around 1362 BC.

Or, was it 40 years after the Israelites had been in Egypt for 225 years according to Paul, who states in Galatians 3: 17; that there was a period of 430 years from when God first made his covenant with Abraham at the age of 85, until the Law was given through Moses? Which means that the Israelites were only in Egypt for 225 years.

This would mean the exodus occurred around 1567 BC.

 

[beameup]

Was it 40 years after the Israelites had been in Egypt for 430 years to the day, as recorded in Exodus 12: 40?

This would mean that the exodus occurred somewhere around 1362 BC.

Or, was it 40 years after the Israelites had been in Egypt for 225 years according to Paul, who states in Galatians 3: 17; that there was a period of 430 years from when God first made his covenant with Abraham at the age of 85, until the Law was given through Moses? Which means that the Israelites were only in Egypt for 225 years.

This would mean the exodus occurred around 1567 BC.

Nope. The Exodus occurred in 1450 B.C.
And it wasn't Pharaoh "Ramses".

 

[S-word]

Nope. The Exodus occurred in 1450 B.C.
And it wasn't Pharaoh "Ramses".

According to your belief, Jericho was destroyed in 1410 B.C. 40 years after the Exodus, which is incorrect, would you care to try again?

 

[S-word]

Continued from post #3.


It would seem that beameup has no intention of trying to defend the erroneous statement that Jericho was destroyed by the Israelites in 1410 B.C. or reveal how that erroneous statement was arrived at.

 

[beameup]

Biblical Archeology - May 2008

A comprehensive new survey of (archaeologist) Kenyon’s evidence at Jericho, however, has led author Bryant Wood to conclude that a walled city existed at Jericho until about 1400 B.C.E. when it was destroyed in a conquest

http://www.biblearchaeology.org/pos...-New-Look-at-the-Archaeological-Evidence.aspx

See: "Patterns of Evidence" for the accurate date of the Exodus at 1450 BC.

 

[S-word]

Biblical Archeology - May 2008

http://www.biblearchaeology.org/pos...-New-Look-at-the-Archaeological-Evidence.aspx

See: "Patterns of Evidence" for the accurate date of the Exodus at 1450 BC.

Although it is erroneously stated in Exodus 12: 40; that the Israelites had lived in Egypt for 430 years, in Galatians 3: 17; Paul makes it quite clear that they were in the land of Egypt for only 225 years.

Gal 3: 17; "God made a covenant with Abraham and promised to keep it. The Law (Given by Moses) that was given 430 years later, cannot break that covenant and cancel God"s promise."

And so, the reason why there are no records of the Exodus in the time period in which our historians have searched and which the bible student who believe the erroneous statement that the Israelites were in Egypt for 430 years and must therefore have departed somewhere in the time period of the 1300 B.C, is because the Exodus and the expulsion of the old Hyksos Kings in the 15TH century B.C, are one and the same event.

From the Encarta encyclopedia, "Hyksos (Egyptian for "foreign rulers"), Semitic invaders who conquered Egypt in the early part of the 17th century BC and founded the 15th Dynasty.

In the early part of the 17TH century B.C, Semetic invaders (Called Hyksos) swept into Egypt, most likely from Palestine and Syria. They would control Egypt for roughly two centuries." --- (225 years if we are to believe the Bible.) The establishment of a Hyksos dynasty in northern Egypt marked the beginning of the Second Intermediate period, a time of turmoil and disunity that lasted for more than 225 years.

According to the compilers of Young"s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, they date the exodus at somewhere around the year of 1500 BC about the period when the island of Santorini or Thira blew it"s top, when seismic waves flooded Egyptian croplands, causing a famine and other catastrophic events.

Abraham was 85 when God first made his covenant with him, Isaac was born 15 years after the covenant, when Abraham was 100. Isaac was 60 when his son Jacob was born and Jacob was 130 when he was reunited with his son Joseph in the land of Egypt. 15+60+130=205. So we see that there was a period of 205 years between the covenant and the entry of the family of Israel into Egypt, where they dwelt for 225 years before departing 430 years after God"s covenant was made with Abraham.

From "The World Book Dictionary," (Hyksos) "A succession of six foreign rulers of Egypt"from about 1730 B.C. to about 1570 B.C; Shepherd Kings." --- And from the Encyclopedia Britannica, "Hyksos", invaders who were also called the Shepherd Kings, who in the time of "King Tutimaios" entered Egypt and took possession of it without striking a blow and it is said here that Josephus the historian, identifies them with the Israelites and that their reign ended in 1567B.C.

Joseph the first of the shepherd kings, was given all authority in Egypt, no one could lift a hand or a foot without Joseph"s permission; see genesis 41: 44.

During the 7 years of plenty he taxed the population a percentage of their wheat crops, during the great 7 year drought that followed, he sold that wheat back to them. When they ran out of money, he took their live-stock as payment, when their live-stock was all gone, they were forced to sign over their land as payment for wheat.

Joseph made slaves of the Egyptian population, without striking a blow.

It was 40 years after they left Egypt that they destroyed Jericho, the first of their conquest in the Land of Canaan, which was the legal inheritance of the descendants of Shem, that was allocated to him by Noah.

Kathleen Kenyon, a most respected archaeologist dug at Jericho over the seasons between 1952 to 1958, her results were confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BC (Plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%.

If, according to Josephus the historian, the exodus of the Shepherd Kings did occur in 1567 BC, and Jericho, according to Kathleen Kenyon was destroyed in 1562 (minus 38 years) this would mean that Jericho, according to Kathleen Kenyon's latest possible date, fell in the year of 1524 BC, close enough to the 40 years after Josephus's date for the Exodus in 1567 that the bible states that Jericho was destroyed by the conquering Israelites in 1527, 40 years after 1567 B.C.

The 1995 radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction to 1562, plus/minus 38 years with a certainty of 95%, still stands as the correct date for the destruction of Jericho.

 

[beameup]

Although it is erroneously stated in Exodus 12: 40; that the Israelites had lived in Egypt for 430 years, in Galatians 3: 17; Paul makes it quite clear that they were in the land of Egypt for only 225 years.

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The record clearly shows the Exodus occurred at 1450 BC.
The major error in archeology in the past was the references to the cities of Ramses (Pi Ramses) and the assumption that that "geographical location" was a direct contemporary link to the Pharaoh Ramses.

 

[S-word]

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The record clearly shows the Exodus occurred at 1450 BC.
The major error in archeology in the past was the references to the cities of Ramses (Pi Ramses) and the assumption that that "geographical location" was a direct contemporary link to the Pharaoh Ramses.

Sorry mate, the Holy scriptures reveal the Israelites destroyed Jericho 40 years after they were ordered by the King to get out of his country, and Kathleen Kenyon's results, showing that Jericho could have been destroyed around 1524 B.C. were confirmed by Radiocarbon test, which dated the destruction to 1562, plus/minus 38 years with a certainty of 95%, still stands as the correct date for the destruction of Jericho.

So the record clearly shows that Josephus, who identifies the Hyksos as the Israelites, was correct in stating that they left Egypt in 1567 B.C. 40 Years before Jericho was destroyed.

 

[chair]

So difficult...the Bible isn't consistent. Archaeology doesn't always match the Biblical story.

So it goes.

 

[beameup]

So the record clearly shows that Josephus, who identifies the Hyksos as the Israelites, was correct in stating that they left Egypt in 1567 B.C. 40 Years before Jericho was destroyed.

The Hyksos were Semites and conquered the Egyptians and then controlled Lower Egypt. That's why Joseph and the Hebrews found such favor and were given the very best of the land (in the delta, northeast). When the true Egyptians again took over Lower Egypt, the Hyksos escaped into the Mediterranean, but the Hebrews were enslaved.
You really need to do your "homework" there Sherlock :sherlock:

Thutmoses III was Pharaoh of the Exodus [1446 BC] for a total of 54 years.
(1485-1431). But there were three distinct phases to his rule.

Thutmoses III: (1485-1431)
1.(1485-1464) First was when he was a baby and his step-mother Hatshepsut ruled as co-regent for 21 years .
2.(1464-1446) Second, after Hatshepsut died he ruled as Pharaoh for 18 years until the exodus.
3.(1446-1431) Third, he ruled another 15 years after the exodus.

Pharaoh who killed Hebrew children: Amunhotep I: 1532-1511 BC
Pharaoh's Daughter who adopted Moses: Hatshepsut: 1526 BC
Pharaoh of Moses' flight to Midian: Thutmoses II/Hatshepsut: 1498-1485 BC
Pharaoh of the Exodus: Thutmoses III: 1485/1464 - 1431 BC

I prefer the 1450 BC Exodus date as opposed to 1446 BC.

 

[George Affleck]

[h=2]When did the Israelites destroy Jericho.[/h]

When God was ready.

 

[S-word]

The Hyksos were Semites and conquered the Egyptians and then controlled Lower Egypt. That's why Joseph and the Hebrews found such favor and were given the very best of the land (in the delta, northeast). When the true Egyptians again took over Lower Egypt, the Hyksos escaped into the Mediterranean, but the Hebrews were enslaved.
You really need to do your "homework" there Sherlock :sherlock:



I prefer the 1450 BC Exodus date as opposed to 1446 BC.

Please provide evidence that Jericho was destroyed in 1410 B.C. and not 40 years after the shepherd kings=Hyksos departed Egypt in 1567, as recorded by Josephus the historian who identifies the Israelites as the Hyksos?

 

[beameup]

Note the Exodus @ 1450 B.C.

http://patternsofevidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Signup-Wall-of-Time-Wallpaper.jpg

 

[S-word]

Note the Exodus @ 1450 B.C.

http://patternsofevidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Signup-Wall-of-Time-Wallpaper.jpg

According to you my friend 'beameup' The scriptures lie and there was no conquest of the promised land, which began with the destruction of Jericho, for Jericho no longer existed in 1410 B.C.

wikipedi: The first scientific investigation of the site of Jericho was carried out by Charles Warren in 1868, but amounted to no more than a site-survey (Warren's prime interest was in establishing the modern equivalents of Biblical locales). In 1907-09 and again in 1911 digging was carried out by two German archaeologists, Carl Watzinger and Ernest Sellin. Watzinger and Sellin believed that they would be able to validate the Biblical story of Jericho's destruction by Joshua and the Israelites, but concluded instead that the data indicated that the city was unoccupied at the time which the Bible indicated for the Conquest.

These results were tested in 1930-36 by John Garstang, at the suggestion of William F. Albright, the doyen of Palestinian archaeology at the time. Garstang discovered the remains of a network of collapsed walls which he dated to about 1400 BCE, the time he believed the Israelites were on their conquest, that had apparently fallen in a dramatic fashion as opposed to being ruined by abandonment or decay from natural forces. Garstang's work thus reversed the conclusions of the earlier diggings.

By the post-war period a revolution had occurred in archaeological methodology, and Albright accordingly asked Kathleen Kenyon, one of the most respected practitioners of the new archaeology, to excavate at Jericho once more. Kenyon dug at Jericho over the seasons between 1952-1958. Kenyon traced the entire history of the city from the earliest Neolithic settlement. She did this by digging a narrow deep trench maintaining clean, squared off edges, rigorously examining the soil and recording its stratification, and thus building up a cross-section of the tell. When presented with an area that would require wider areas to be excavated - the floor plan of a house for example - she carefully dug in measured squares while leaving an untouched strip between each section to allow the stratification to remain visible. Kenyon reported that her work showed Garstang to have been wrong and the Germans right - Jericho had been deserted at the (ERRONEOUS) accepted Biblical date of the Conquest. Her result was confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction to 1562 BCE (plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%.

 

[beameup]

According to you my friend 'beameup' The scriptures lie and there was no conquest of the promised land, which began with the destruction of Jericho, for Jericho no longer existed in 1410 B.C.

wikipedi: The first scientific investigation of the site of Jericho was carried out by Charles Warren in 1868, but amounted to no more than a site-survey (Warren's prime interest was in establishing the modern equivalents of Biblical locales). In 1907-09 and again in 1911 digging was carried out by two German archaeologists, Carl Watzinger and Ernest Sellin. Watzinger and Sellin believed that they would be able to validate the Biblical story of Jericho's destruction by Joshua and the Israelites, but concluded instead that the data indicated that the city was unoccupied at the time which the Bible indicated for the Conquest.

These results were tested in 1930-36 by John Garstang, at the suggestion of William F. Albright, the doyen of Palestinian archaeology at the time. Garstang discovered the remains of a network of collapsed walls which he dated to about 1400 BCE, the time he believed the Israelites were on their conquest, that had apparently fallen in a dramatic fashion as opposed to being ruined by abandonment or decay from natural forces. Garstang's work thus reversed the conclusions of the earlier diggings.

By the post-war period a revolution had occurred in archaeological methodology, and Albright accordingly asked Kathleen Kenyon, one of the most respected practitioners of the new archaeology, to excavate at Jericho once more. Kenyon dug at Jericho over the seasons between 1952-1958. Kenyon traced the entire history of the city from the earliest Neolithic settlement. She did this by digging a narrow deep trench maintaining clean, squared off edges, rigorously examining the soil and recording its stratification, and thus building up a cross-section of the tell. When presented with an area that would require wider areas to be excavated - the floor plan of a house for example - she carefully dug in measured squares while leaving an untouched strip between each section to allow the stratification to remain visible. Kenyon reported that her work showed Garstang to have been wrong and the Germans right - Jericho had been deserted at the (ERRONEOUS) accepted Biblical date of the Conquest. Her result was confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction to 1562 BCE (plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%.

I see that you totally ignored the more recent work of Dr. Wood, which verifies the Biblical record and dates the destruction to approximately 1410 B.C..
You really need to "get up to speed" on the latest.
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2008/06/The-Walls-of-Jericho.aspx#Article

 

[S-word]

I see that you totally ignored the more recent work of Dr. Wood, which verifies the Biblical record and dates the destruction to approximately 1410 B.C..
You really need to "get up to speed" on the latest.
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2008/06/The-Walls-of-Jericho.aspx#Article

Please reveal where your Dr Woods archaeological investigations has disproved Kathleen Kenyon's results, which were confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BCE (plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%, proving that Jericho no longer existed in 1410 B.C. and proving that you reject the Holy Scriptures, which state that the Israelites destroyed Jericho 40 years after the exodus.

 

[beameup]

:readthis:
"The only sure barrier to truth is to assume you already have it".

 

[S-word]

:readthis:
"The only sure barrier to truth is to assume you already have it".

And you haven't.

 

[beameup]

And you haven't.

Pride keeps you from arriving at the truth.
By being ignorant of Dr. Wood's archeological
work, and quoting "Wikipedia" :rotfl: you are
showing your ignorance of the subject.

Atheist and agnostic archeologists dismiss and discredit the Biblical record as "myth" or unreliable. God's Holy Scripture clearly gives you the accurate date of the Exodus.

 

[S-word]

Pride keeps you from arriving at the truth.
By being ignorant of Dr. Wood's archeological
work, and quoting "Wikipedia" :rotfl: you are
showing your ignorance of the subject.

Atheist and agnostic archeologists dismiss and discredit the Biblical record as "myth" or unreliable. God's Holy Scripture clearly gives you the accurate date of the Exodus.

And Kathleen Kenyon gives you the correct date of the destruction of Jericho, of which, the results of her findings were confirmed in 1995 by radiocarbon tests which dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BCE (plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%, some 40 years after the Israelite shepherd kings departed Egypt.

This proves that Jericho no longer existed in 1410 B.C. and proving that you, like the atheists, reject the Holy Scriptures, which state that the Israelites destroyed Jericho 40 years after the exodus.

Reveal your evidence that Jericho still existed in 1410 B.C. and that the radiocarbon tests that dated the destruction of Jericho to 1562 BCE (plus/minus 38 years) with a certainty of 95%, are incorrect, or admit that you are wrong.